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DOT diped?

Been dipped to check for ORD?

  • I drive a Blazer or PU and yes I have been dipped

    Votes: 2 8.3%

  • I drive a Blazere or PU and *NO* I have never been dipped

    Votes: 19 79.2%

  • I have no idea what the hell this poll is about!

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • Total voters
    24
Well,I guess I'm screwed then...I put a few gallons of heating oil in my truck during some bad blizzards to avoid running it out of fuel while plowing ,to ensure I'd make it to a gas station...I also used a few gallons from my Suburban,which was supposedly converted to run boidiesel ,and who knows what concoction they might have put in the tank?..:eek:..I wasn't looking to avoid "fuel taxes",just prevent myself a lot of work bleeding the fuel system ,had it run out of fuel!..
 
that is a big issue with home made Bio-diesel and veggie oil. people running it are not paying the taxes.States are starting to realize this and will be cracking down accordingly.

And they should Fuel Taxes go Directly to Highway Maintenance,Repair,and Improvements.
So by running un-taxed fuel your not paying your fair share of the costs on the roads that you use.


l understand your situation, but you wouldn't have put gas in your truck to get you to the station. you need to treat Off-road diesel and heating fuel as a "not the proper fuel"

chances are you'll never have an issue,but theres always that "what if?"
 
diesel4me said:
Well,I guess I'm screwed then...I put a few gallons of heating oil in my truck during some bad blizzards to avoid running it out of fuel while plowing ,to ensure I'd make it to a gas station...I also used a few gallons from my Suburban,which was supposedly converted to run boidiesel ,and who knows what concoction they might have put in the tank?..:eek:..I wasn't looking to avoid "fuel taxes",just prevent myself a lot of work bleeding the fuel system ,had it run out of fuel!..
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Actually if you ever use dyed diesel, the IP will retain the dye in it, even after a year they can still know you used it.
At least it was what I was told, I haven't verified myself.
It's a method they use if they know you used it but it doesn't show on the test strip.
The only way I was told to get rid of the evidence is to rebuild the IP.:dunno:
Doesn't matter to me at this point but if I were to do this I would come up with ways to avoid being caught. :whistle:
 
Even if they can prove someone used dyed fuel in the past, that doesn't mean they can prove you are the one that used it if you bought the truck used... I think the concentration would need to be strong enough to prove you were currently running it to get a conviction if you fought it in court.
 
You'd think that but it falls on the current owner . its not something you want to play around with. They can really break it off in you if your caught.
 
Sounds to me like somebody's spreading scare info so that people won't try it. Claiming that the IP retains traces of dye indefinitely for years after a tankful goes through it sounds pretty far-fetched to me, and as far as taxes go--when the government can prove that they're actually using fuel taxes for maintaining highways, or can demonstrate any traceable tax-to-application paper trail for that matter, that's when I'll start feeling guilty about using the wrong fuel occasionally.

Not that I ever have, but jeepers . . . .
 
Wrench said:
Sounds to me like somebody's spreading scare info so that people won't try it. Claiming that the IP retains traces of dye indefinitely for years after a tankful goes through it sounds pretty far-fetched to me, and as far as taxes go--when the government can prove that they're actually using fuel taxes for maintaining highways, or can demonstrate any traceable tax-to-application paper trail for that matter, that's when I'll start feeling guilty about using the wrong fuel occasionally.

Not that I ever have, but jeepers . . . .
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You spoke my mind. :popcorn:
 
Wrench said:
Sounds to me like somebody's spreading scare info so that people won't try it. Claiming that the IP retains traces of dye indefinitely for years after a tankful goes through it sounds pretty far-fetched to me, and as far as taxes go--when the government can prove that they're actually using fuel taxes for maintaining highways, or can demonstrate any traceable tax-to-application paper trail for that matter, that's when I'll start feeling guilty about using the wrong fuel occasionally.

Not that I ever have, but jeepers . . . .
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I agree with you 100% on that, all I say is what I hear.
Personnally if I wanted to do this, I have ways to pass most inspections and then if they open up and find the IP dyed(if in fact they can tell), then I will have a response too.:whistle:
So far in my big rig, I have been inspected hundreds of times and only one time did they open the cap and look with a flashlight and then closed it back up.

By the way, I feel the same way about income tax.
I think they always bring up some celebrity and say that they are after them for tax evasion and then everyone thinks oh if this guy can't get away with it, we don't stand a chance.
Just a big mascarade so people pay taxes that are unconstitutionnal
 
I have a friend who lives in a mobile home--and it's furnace died 2 years ago,he's been using space heaters and is looking at a pellet stove to replace the furnace...meanwhile,he's got 160 gallons of Kerosene sitting in the fuel tank,looking for a new home...wish it wasn't dyed RED!..I'd have free fuel till next spring,if I dared run it..but I passed on it,much as I hated passing up free fuel!..but some came home with me for my bullet heater in the garage....
 
I've no idea about the dye staying in the soot of your pipe's for years, but I'm really going to doubt it will stay in your IP that long. The seals in the IP's are not cork afterall.

I've run red diesel many times in my 6.2 back home, as for months on end it would never see public roads, and was only being used on my land. Thus, it got to drink the same fuel the tractors did. I've also been dipped within a few tanks after that (bloody harvest season in SD) and no one batted an eye or said anything.

As to the poster who put it in so they wouldn't run out, you got my support. You really think every dollar of the fuel tax goes to the roads? Man, we should be driving on gold then out here in California. :waytogo:
 
Well then run it , But If and when you get caught I hope they hammer you good.

like it our not its the law . If I have to follow it so do you .
 
yellowK20 said:
Well then run it , But If and when you get caught I hope they hammer you good.

like it our not its the law . If I have to follow it so do you .
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I don't know about up in your frozen north area, but down here as long as you aren't on public roads there is nothing illegal about running it. So I'm not sure why you are all hell bent on them hammering me hard if I "get caught." The law at least in the midwest is that you can't be burning it in your tank going down the highway. Once you get off that highway, they don't have a say in whatever you are burning off since you are not on the public roads.
 
well thats fine IF the truck is NEVER used on the Highways. But the minute that truck touches a State or federal maintained road with ANY amount of that fuel in your tank(s) you become a Tax cheat and you deserve any punishment you receive
 
Using Untaxed fuel on the Highway is same as Hiring Illegal Aliens to work.

Your getting ahead by breaking the rules
 
yellowK20 said:
Using Untaxed fuel on the Highway is same as Hiring Illegal Aliens to work.

Your getting ahead by breaking the rules
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Yep, I've never seen anyone advocate on here the use of untaxed fuel for your DD, so everyone is on the same page.

Anyway, I talked to the cop across the street, since he helps handle DOT stuff out here about the whole testing aspect. He said he's never seen California (in his time up here in NorCal) go further than a strip in the tank. And that he hasn't ever heard of being able to find traces in the soot either. However, if you do have gaskets and such that would absorb the dye in your injection system, that still wouldn't be enough to prosecute you (if they even went to the massive expense to check that stuff) as there is no current proof you are using it currently.

So, moral of the story? Don't run around on the road with red diesel. But if you're using your truck off road as farm truck, or just on the trails, there is absolutely nothing illegal about it. Just take caution making sure that tank has the least amount of dye in it left before you put it back on the road. As for anyone needing to use it in a pinch? That's completely up to you. Technically, driving under 45 MPH on some roads is illegal, but when the weather conditions force you to do so, you do it right?

Anyway, fun debate Yellow, but I doubt many of us would have guilty feelings having 1/2 gallon of red in our tank after a weekend on the trails when we burned through 10 gallons of taxed fuel already off road.

YMMV, and I'm not a lawyer, I just use common sense.
 
Yeah I just get tired of all the Farmers,Loggers,and ranchers bitching when they get caught running Dyed fuel.
 
In that case, I understand 100%. If you're running it on the road to avoid paying those taxes, and you get busted. You get what is coming to you.

If it came down to running red diesel, or walking 10 miles in the snow though, I'd go Jesse James and be an outlaw though I guess.
 
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