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Fiero Dude

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Ok i'm kinda new to this forum thing so if i'm putting this in the wrong spot just let me know but here's my question recently I broke my sm465 to np205 adapter on my '75 blazer and when I was looking for a replacement I came across a rebuilt 30 spline front output np205 for $100 so I couldn’t pass it up now my problem is the old front drive shaft was a 1310 u-joint style and the new one is a flange style and I cant find that flange style locally I thought it would be common as dirt being a Chevy but I cant seem to find it so my question is what did these come on and what is interchangeable also is there a yoke style mount for the t-case that I can swap for the flange style the drive shaft length doesn’t matter as I can modify it
 
GM NP205's with the 30 spline front output had either a TH400 or late SM465 in front of them (both had 32 spline inputs). AFAIK they are the only cases that used the 30 spline flange, finding a junkyard one will be difficult and expensive.

AFAIK there is no yoke for a 30 spline front output but a call to the driveline places (High Angle Driveline, Tom Woods, etc.) can answer that for you pretty quickly.
 
There is no yoke style that fits a 30 spline output. All 30 spline outputs are flange style. GM went to the flange style in 1977 IIRC. Did not matter what trans they had all were 30 spline flange after that year.

Here is some reading if you haven't seen it already.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Front output shafts:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GM used two front output shaft configurations, one had a spline count of 10, the other was a 30 spline. 10 splines came before 1977 (roughly) 30 spline shafts came after 1977 (again, roughly).
One quick way to tell them apart is by the fact that 10 splines came with a 1310 series yoke output, capable of accepting a CV or yoke driveshaft. 30 spline shafts came with the flat flange on the output, capable of accepting the GM 3R series CV joint.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Strength:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Strength wise, the 30 spline is the way to go. The 10 spline shafts have been known to break, usually in abusive applications (big blocks, 40"+ tires, etc). 30 spline shafts seem to hold up well, especially since there isn't anything in a front axle that can take the torque required to break the finer spline t-case shaft. Also, the 3R CV joint should be a little stronger unit overall due to the wider crosses. Practically speaking, it's nice to have the fine spline, but if you're running a 1/2 or 3/4 ton front axle, the front will break long before the NP205 10 spline output. At that point, it comes down to ease of service, yoke choice, and other such factors.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yoke Choices:
For this one we consulted Tom Wood of Tom Wood's Custom Driveshafts. The 10 spline output
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]will accept a 1310, 1330, or 1350 ujoint yokes, and of course the 1310 CV joint.
The 30 spline output will accept the 1330 or 1350 CV joints.
This info is incomplete, we were unable to reach Tom at the time this was written but these are the most common driveshaft configurations in 4wd vehicles.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ease of use:
We prefer the flat flange output on the 30 spline output shaft due to the fact that you can actually put a socket on the bolts that hold it together from the front. The yoke style CV joint is a real pain to install since it uses fine thread bolt installed from the rear of the yoke. Nothing like turning a 5/16" fine thread bolt 1/8" of a turn at a time with an end wrench. GRRR. Other than that, there may be details that a drive shaft shop would be best suited to helping you with.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Heavy duty upgrades:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
There are 2 heavy duty upgrades that you may be interested in. One is the current availability of 1350 series CV jointed drive shafts. The most common configuration of these shafts is a flange connection. There are 2 ways to get these to connect to the NP205. One is to use a lightly modified standard 30 spline front output flange. The mods must be done on a lathe, but it's not much work once it's chucked up.
The other way to connect the 1350 CV is to use a Ford 32 spline NP205 front output shaft and use a specialty flange type output.
The other HD upgrade is using the Ford front output shaft itself. This output shaft configuration is the same as the rear of the NP203 and NP205, so the yokes interchange. You can get about any driveshaft connection you can imagine for this output configuration. And with the 32 spline, you're basically guaranteed it's not going to break. If you have a 30 spline front output already, it's probably not worth swapping the 32 spline shaft in unless you need the yoke options.
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There is no yoke style that fits a 30 spline output. All 30 spline outputs are flange style.

That is what I thought as well,but I have some 30 spline non flange yokes off the 203's that were behind a 465,and can provide pics:D
 
That is what I thought as well,but I have some 30 spline non flange yokes off the 203's that were behind a 465,and can provide pics:D

Well i guess since you're comparing apples to oranges i should have said factory NP205 yoke. In all reality though, i've never seen a 30 spline yoke on any GM t-case.
 
Well i guess since you're comparing apples to oranges i should have said factory NP205 yoke. In all reality though, i've never seen a 30 spline yoke on any GM t-case.

I guess I should have preread and reworded before I posted,I came across as a know it all smartass and that was'nt my intention.Yes it was an apples to oranges comparison,and I too have never saw a 205 30 spline 1310 yoke.

What I should have said was if you find the right 203 they will have a 30 spline 1310 that you can use on your 205 instead of a 30 spline flange.
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