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buffblazer

buffblazer

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installed the CTS chip on my 07 silverado with the 5.3. gotta say i love the touch screen but disapointed with the performance and lack of options.

only has 5 levels. stock,trans,economy,towing and extreme. there is suppose to be a performance setting but i guess i have to download it.

when you customize the settings all you can change is the govener. the gear ratio and tire size.

for 600 bucks i expected to at least be able to break the tires loose in extreme mode going around a corner.


anybody have any experience with these chips?
 
I don't have any experience but why cant you break the tires loose around a corner?



Turn traction control off. :p:
 
I have the edge programmer in my Dodge. 37's and stock 3.73s and a good limited slip too. I think your problem is that its not a cummins..:D I can do doughnuts on dry pavement no problem.

What I like about the edge is that it displays my tranny temp from the factory sender (no gauge in the stock truck) and of course you have all the other gauges egt, engine temp, boost, ect.

The turbo timer feature is real nice too. Also checks and clears trouble codes which with what the dealers charge to check codes has paid for itself allready.

Adjustable alarms for high temps and boost are cool. has 0-60 and 1/4 mile calculators, adjusts its speedo for tire size, tells me when my torque convertor is locked and more features im sure im forgetting.

The only thing it doesn't do which I wish it did was have a mode to set top speed and password lock for the programmer for letting people borrow the truck.

The new monitors are sweet btw. For shear power and tunability you gotta go to a smarty but IMO I think the edge is great for the amount of features you get.
 
you sure you let the motor get to operating temp first? The edge will pull itself back when your temps are low. Also will pull back fuel when your temps are high baised on your overheat alarm settings. Make sure they arn't too low.

I've raced duramax's with the same programmer as me and they are plenty quick. From what I hear, chip to chip a Duramax should make more power than the 5.9 24valve cummins. I can't light up my 37's from a dead stop without a boosted launch but I dont see why you shouldn't be able to light up a stockish size tire. Hold the brake and let the boost pressure get to about 25-30lbs and then she what she'll do. :D
 
yeah i have played with it for about a week, fully warmed up and yada yada still no go.

i think my biggeset problem is it has 3.42 gears and 265 tires with the govbomb in it.

light gears trying to spin both tires might need more than just the chip to get it to break loose.


Gear change in the works :wink1:


i ended up sending it back for a new one, i apparantly got 1 of 5 that would not do internet updates so they sent me a new one and i just installed it. looking forward to seeing if anything is different.


i did notice a difference without it for the 2 days i was waiting on a new one. back in stock form it was sluggish and didnt pull as well as i liked.so the chip made a noticable difference but not enough to break the tires loose.

also i did the performance test. and i was wondering why i really have no change between the modes. i ran the 0-60 and the 1/4 mile test on extreme mode and economy mode and the numbers were exactly the same.


any reason for that?
 
mrdrinksalil said:
you sure you let the motor get to operating temp first? The edge will pull itself back when your temps are low. Also will pull back fuel when your temps are high baised on your overheat alarm settings. Make sure they arn't too low.

I've raced duramax's with the same programmer as me and they are plenty quick. From what I hear, chip to chip a Duramax should make more power than the 5.9 24valve cummins. I can't light up my 37's from a dead stop without a boosted launch but I dont see why you shouldn't be able to light up a stockish size tire. Hold the brake and let the boost pressure get to about 25-30lbs and then she what she'll do. :D
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this is a gas 5.3 we are talking about
 
OHHHHHHHHHHHH.... I though we were talkin about smoke blowers here, not a gas motor. :haha:

Yeah your problem is that its a 5.3 brother. hahaha. There's no replacement for displacement. Only Diesel fuel :D
 
mrdrinksalil said:
you sure you let the motor get to operating temp first? The edge will pull itself back when your temps are low. Also will pull back fuel when your temps are high baised on your overheat alarm settings. Make sure they arn't too low.

I've raced duramax's with the same programmer as me and they are plenty quick. From what I hear, chip to chip a Duramax should make more power than the 5.9 24valve cummins. I can't light up my 37's from a dead stop without a boosted launch but I dont see why you shouldn't be able to light up a stockish size tire. Hold the brake and let the boost pressure get to about 25-30lbs and then she what she'll do. :D
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duramax=efilive
common rail cummins=smarty
vp cummins=edge
5.3 v8=slow. lol

buffblazer said:
yeah i have played with it for about a week, fully warmed up and yada yada still no go.

i think my biggeset problem is it has 3.42 gears and 265 tires with the govbomb in it.

light gears trying to spin both tires might need more than just the chip to get it to break loose.


Gear change in the works :wink1:


i ended up sending it back for a new one, i apparantly got 1 of 5 that would not do internet updates so they sent me a new one and i just installed it. looking forward to seeing if anything is different.


i did notice a difference without it for the 2 days i was waiting on a new one. back in stock form it was sluggish and didnt pull as well as i liked.so the chip made a noticable difference but not enough to break the tires loose.

also i did the performance test. and i was wondering why i really have no change between the modes. i ran the 0-60 and the 1/4 mile test on extreme mode and economy mode and the numbers were exactly the same.


any reason for that?
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i dont believe there is any programmer out there that will really net you a huge difference compared to stock, especially not if your used to the types of changes a programmer can make on a diesel. your looking at like a 10-20hp gain instead of a 200hp gain.

gear change should help you get the snap off line.
 
I dont know about the 5.3/4l60 combo but I know the 6.0 has pretty severe tq management. Does the edge do anything to combat the tq management? Or is it just trying to add the same power to the reduced amount of the factory computer or is it getting rid of it totally?
 
I have 275/55/20's with 3.42's, gox bomb and the L76 6.0. I can light the tires up like they are going out of style. With light rain I got the butt end to swing out driving straight going 45 with just the tranny shifting not even moving the wheel. The truck is completely stock from the factory.

I'm puzzled why you can't break your tires loose.
 
If you do any research on other truck forums that deal with this type of stuff (newer trucks that actually use programmers) you won't find many good things about any of the programmers out there for gas trucks. You just can't do a whole lot electronically to a gas truck to make it more powerful, while with a diesel you can. In the simplest description you can shove more fuel into a diesel and make substantial power gains, and this can be done through the computer. With a gas engine you can just optimize the ignition timing and a few other parameters and that's it, with only minor power changes.

The other thing is that most of the newer GM trucks have a substantial amount of torque management and abuse modes that pull out timing and fuel under many conditions. It's not technically traction control but works along the same line. My previous truck had an engine rated at 245 HP and would light the tires up at will. My current truck has 300 HP and it's almost impossible to spin the tire on dry pavement in a straight line, and requires full throttle to squawk them on a turn. Both trucks had rear limited slips, comparable weight, same gearing. However the 300 HP truck feels substantially stronger in all other situations except when you want to spin the tires. Most of the "feel" of increased power with a custom tune/flash is because the torque management is reduced or turned off.

Anyway, most people will recommend contacting one of the several companies that do custom tunes. Basically they ship you a complete ECU with the new tune flashed on it you install, and then get a refund on your deposit when you ship them your original ECU.

Programs like EFILive, which you install onto a laptop and actually manually change dozens of parameters based on your individual truck and driving habits, are realy nice......but can be very overwhelming to many people. You really have to know what you are doing and spend some time on it.
 
6.2Blazer said:
If you do any research on other truck forums that deal with this type of stuff (newer trucks that actually use programmers) you won't find many good things about any of the programmers out there for gas trucks. You just can't do a whole lot electronically to a gas truck to make it more powerful, while with a diesel you can. In the simplest description you can shove more fuel into a diesel and make substantial power gains, and this can be done through the computer. With a gas engine you can just optimize the ignition timing and a few other parameters and that's it, with only minor power changes.

The other thing is that most of the newer GM trucks have a substantial amount of torque management and abuse modes that pull out timing and fuel under many conditions. It's not technically traction control but works along the same line. My previous truck had an engine rated at 245 HP and would light the tires up at will. My current truck has 300 HP and it's almost impossible to spin the tire on dry pavement in a straight line, and requires full throttle to squawk them on a turn. Both trucks had rear limited slips, comparable weight, same gearing. However the 300 HP truck feels substantially stronger in all other situations except when you want to spin the tires. Most of the "feel" of increased power with a custom tune/flash is because the torque management is reduced or turned off.

Anyway, most people will recommend contacting one of the several companies that do custom tunes. Basically they ship you a complete ECU with the new tune flashed on it you install, and then get a refund on your deposit when you ship them your original ECU.

Programs like EFILive, which you install onto a laptop and actually manually change dozens of parameters based on your individual truck and driving habits, are realy nice......but can be very overwhelming to many people. You really have to know what you are doing and spend some time
on it.
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now if i go with a new ECU thats flashed, will my edge programmer still work?

do you know any of the companies that do that.
 
http://www.nelsonperformance.com/ does the ecm reflashing. Going to get them to do one for me, Im swapping a 6.0/4l85e into the gf's 89 c2500, and I have to have the anti-theft system disabled, and the rear o2 sensors disabled as well as a little power added.
 
buffblazer said:
now if i go with a new ECU thats flashed, will my edge programmer still work?

do you know any of the companies that do that.
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There would be no real reason to use the programmer if you got an ECU with a good flash. The reason for the new ECU is that it is already flashed with software that is better than what the programmer can do (the programmer "flashes" the ECU).
 
I have an 05 GMC sierra z71 w/ 5.3, 3.73, 285's with hypertechs max energy pn# 32000 and my truck is still sluggish and will only break tires loose if its wet outside. Im not happy with the power of the truck, I had an 05 duramax before this one and it would smoke my newer truck easily. Your problem is, just like stated before, no replacement for displacement. Next time buy a diesel (dmax or cummins) if you want power. However, my work truck, an 10' ram w a hemi will smoke the tires off (@ around 10 mpg)....bottom line...go with diesel next time, you'll be happier.
 
6.2Blazer said:
There would be no real reason to use the programmer if you got an ECU with a good flash. The reason for the new ECU is that it is already flashed with software that is better than what the programmer can do (the programmer "flashes" the ECU).
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you would still want to switch between programs, and the edge cts has a touch screen that allows you to monitor things like trans temp and do 0-60 runs ect. i just dont wanna lose that ability if i go with a new computer.
 
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