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Is there an industrial electric motor guru on this site? I have some issues with the magnetic motor starter for my lift. Switched from 3 phase 440v to 1 phase 240v. I thought I changed the correct wires, but it runs constantly.

I am wondering if the 3 phase and 1 phase are not compatable.
 
Well, if it runs at all, you must have done something right..........

I'm a little stunned by what you said. Did you swap the motor? Not sure I ever heard of a motor that would run on either 440 three phase or 240 single.........
There may be some motor controllers out there that would do that, not sure I ever saw any.

Post a few more details, and I will see if I can walk you through whatever you are doing.
For instance, where are you getting the 240 single? Are you trying to get it from the 440 three?
Did you change the power to the whole system, or just the motor starter?
The most likely thing I can imagine is you bought a lift that was on 440 and are trying to run it on 240.

Give me the details, and I should be able to work something out.
 
Sorry. I assume everybody knows what I am doing.:D

1 phase 240v 5hp motor and am trying to use the existing 3 phase magnetic motor control. Along with that is the momentary on switch that the hydraulic lever turns on to run the lift up.

My question is if this 3 phase magnetic controller can run a 1 phase motor? Because 3 phase has 3 Lines and 1 phase only has the 2 Lines. I will get some pictures of what is there. I drew up the schematic before I changed anything. it is weird that it runs continuous. Like the controller is not releasing. If I understood what fires the controller, I could start there and work back.
 
OK, that makes more sense.
You have a couple of potential problems with the starter. First, is the overloads. Actually the overloads are first and second.
First, the overloads that handled the original motor are too low for the new motor. The new motor is going to draw more current than the original one.
The second problem concerns what type of overloads you have. If they are the "heater" type, then you should be fine with just changing the heaters. If it is the newer electronic type, then you will have to loop one of the legs.

I doubt its the newer type, since it would have already tripped. The newer type sense a dead leg, so you have to take the output of one of the overloads, and apply it to the input of the third one.
Then use the output of the third one as one leg of the motor.

As to what fires the starter, despite the name and all the contacts, its basically just a relay. You need to look at the nameplate to find out what the coil calls for. I suspect its 240 volts.
If the original system had a neutral, then 240 volts should have been available, so you usually use the lower voltage for the coil. However, there are starters that use the full voltage. But, since its just a two leg coil, it should be simple.
There will be a set or two of auxiliary contacts that you wire the coil through. These contacts open when the overload trips, and kills the motor.
You should hear the relay pull in when you power up the system. If it does not, and the motor still runs, then you have something wired wrong.

I have a schematic for a three phase motor starter that I use on some projects. Let me find it and I will post it in a few minutes.
 
Well, I can't find exactly what I was looking for, but maybe this will help. Its for an electronic overload contactor. You can see how I looped one leg around.

If all else fails, here is a link to the contactors I use.

http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Motor_Controls/Contactors_-z-_Starters_-z-_Overloads/45mm_Contactors_(9_to_32_Amps)_-z-_Overloads/GH15ET-3-00A

You use that contactor along with one of the adjustable overloads on the bottom, and you get a motor starter.

Here is the link to the specs.

http://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/ghseriescontactors.pdf

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