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EV recommendation?

yes the early small diesels can get great mpg, except used German cars normally need a ton of tlc and pampering. I will admit the Honda 3 barrel carb on the crx and civic are a special beast and hard to tame, if they need attention, but that's what makes it run clean and get good mileage. The Echo will be fuel injected, and a Toyota so the maintenance will be oil changes and brakes
I had a 2003 civic, that got consistently 35mpg average, got close to 38 on long highway trips at 80mph.
255k miles, only thing I did was oil changes, changed the battery every 6 years, and a starter at 215k.
I changed the spark plugs and water pump with the timing belt at 245k but didn't get much use out of them because at 255k somehow I lost all the oil in a 20 mile trip when the oil filter got loose, 3 turns loose, no idea how it happened but until then it was the best car I ever drove, cheapest we ever owned
 
A buddy of mine had a 2011 Toyota Yaris that got mid thirties all the time with an automatic transmission and the A/C on - same story with my Dads 99 Honda Civic.
Plenty of regular and reliable gas powered cars that offer great mileage and value.
 
EVs don't make sense unless you're set up to charge at home (or "free" charging at work, of course, but I wouldn't count on that being available forever). This paper claims that charging an EV is more expensive than buying gas. https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.c...10/EVtransition_FuelingCostStudy_10-21-21.pdf

They go out of their way to exaggerate the cost of the EV, but the point is still clear - you need to take an honest look at the numbers based on your own usage.
 
Everything I've heard about the Nissan Leaf says it's about the biggest pile of crap that you can buy. Probably why they are cheap.

My dad has had a Chevy Bolt for a number of years now, he loves the thing. He charges at home.
 
I had a 2015 Hyundai Elantra; got over 40 MPG on the highway at times. I liked it, got totaled when my wife hit road debris at night. I would buy another.
 
So my wife got an EV a few weeks ago, used 2024 Cadillac Lyric with 7k miles on it. It was WAY less than MSRP even though only 1 year old, I'm talking 43% off MSRP and only 1 year old, I found a deal, and it has a 3 year unlimited mileage Cadillac CPO warranty. We figured between that and my 2500HD Chevy L8T truck we got our bases covered.

We almost bought a used Tesla because Elon is awesome, but she drove a Tesla and then a Lyriq and really liked the Lyric.

Some things we learned that may or may not apply to you but should be noted.

- The EV range is based on 100% battery, but they recommend to charge to 80% daily and only use 100% occasionally for long trips if needed. This is two reasons, its better for max battery life, and it also allows more regen breaking energy savings. If the battery is 100% full the regen energy can't be saved. However, even the DC fast chargers slow way down above 80% to protect the battery.

- The range in winter lowers quite a bit, between 10-40% I've read. That can change depending on if you warm it up while plugged in or from the battery, it will reduce range if you warm it up with the battery energy. If you don't warm it up at all, the battery will be less efficient until warm while taking battery energy to warm. Its best to prewarm it before you leave from house energy in the winter.

- If you can't charge at home (or maybe work but don't count on that), I do not recommend one. I did math using the home kWhr rate, and it could save us 1-2 thousand dollar's a year on fuel based on our usage for work, family, kids sports, etc.. But if you have to charge at a DC fast charger, you will pay 2-3 times the home cost(it costs a lot to cram hundreds of amps into the battery really fast, the car can take 190kW, at 300V that's over 630A!), and at that point it's cheaper to drive her old 3.6L V6. Luckily 98% of the time she will charge at home.

- Some chargers are annoying and they rely on an app to work, that's great if the app works, but if it doesn't, and you can't get to another charger, your going to be waiting. In the winter if the battery isn't warmed yet up you won't get fast charge rates.

So if you combine all this, then drive 500 miles in the winter to buy one, and it just so happens to have a coolant temp sensor go out on your way home, so the battery charging and efficiency both drop further and you have to stop to charge twice as often as you thought and it takes longer that it was supposed to, you will get home several hours later than you expected and be left frustrated. So frustrated the wife wanted to take the car back. I did buy a NACS(Tesla) adaptor before we left with it, but they don't all work even with the adaptor.

But once you start charging at home it's is great for 98% of the time, but currently if I am going on a longer trip in the winter, were likely taking the truck. Time will tell if she gets another EV, or switches back to gas. The truck I am keeping for a long time.

On the flip side, in warm months some people are seeing higher range with them as the battery performance improves, so maybe in Arizona the range will be awesome.
 
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they work best in temperate climates, you know Goldielocks. Not to hot or not to cold. Even hotter they do have better range than cold cold. Highway driving is the worst for battery range, if I drove side street, I was able to drive miles and miles for just a few miles off total range.

I could use one here in Havasu. I might only need to shore charge it a couple times a month. I do have solar on the roof so cost might be much lower, plus it could double as battery back up if power went out.
I had been kind of excited about the VW Id Buzz, but the 67k+ has put me off. Maybe in a couple years, a used one.

edit: I can work on them, so a used EV doesn't scare me. Started messing with EV's in 94, have seen all the trials success and failures in ev evolution
 
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We have two gmc sierra ev’s in our company fleet so far they have been amazing.
 

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