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Fact or Fiction, Roller Cam is a better than Vortec Heads?

dave w

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I think it is a myth that Vortec Heads are a better performance upgrade than a roller camshaft. My tuned roller TBI engine 93 K1500 5.7 liter engine does not have Vortec Heads, and I can go step for step with a Dodge Hemi 5.7 from 0 to 70 MPH!:D The factory police TBI engine had a roller cam if that helps prove my point!

dave w
 
I don't stay totally current on component matching.. but that's really kind of an apples/oranges comparison.. vortec is a great flowing stock head... but without a performance cam profile it has nothing to do with that great flow... the head is what allows a cam to really perform...

on that note... you'll get a bigger performance gain with a roller imo.. just due to it's forcing bigger stats thru the induction system.. I'm a huge, huge fan of roller cam tech.. I remember when they came out thinking "it's about damn time!" really got rid of flat-tappet limitations...

tho an awesome head for on the cheap power, a would never put vortecs on a mill I was putting some coin into... with machine work to use a performance cam the cost is not too far off what an aftermarket performance head goes for, that flows as good, if not better than the vortec...

throw in the vortecs propensity for cracking and blowing head gaskets and I think it makes a semi-poor choice for a mill that's being built from crank up....
 
I think for the money, if given the either / or choice, Roller Cam / Vortec Heads, the Roller Cam is the best way to go for the performance $$$.

dave w
 
and thats not denying that the 2 components are very integral to each others performance..

a big profile roller cam pushing thru some smog-ridden 305 heads or ultra windtunnel flow heads with a weak cam does no one any good...

personally, the 383 I'm more than likely doing will definitely be roller and aftermarket heads.. hopefully I can nut up and go for some AFR's...
 
I think the huge advantage is the quicker profile and max lift time.... just can't get that out of a flat tappet profile.. roller anything is usually a step up.. ;)
 
i read a good cheep fairly easy cam to swap in with min mods is a stock 5.7L lt1 cam

good profile and computer friendly.

i got 1 for 100-125 shipped i cant recall exact price. was cam/lifters/spider/lifter bars . everything i needed from a sale thread on www.thirdgen.org

havent fired the motor yet. way to many projects. :doah:
 
I think several board members here know I custom tune TBI chips.

I've worked with several TBI 383's where the engine owner bought into the "hype" about Vortec heads and "Computer Friendly flat tappet Cam". Yes, I get the 383 / Vortec / Flat Tappet Cam combo tuned, but my roller 350 still has more "Punch" up 3500 RPM. After 3500 RPM, then both the extra displacement and flow of the Vortec 383 will out perform my "Cop Car" type clone TBI 350. A few of the TBI 383's I've tuned have compression ratio's over 9:5:1 which is not a good compression ratio for regular grade pump gas.:doah:

dave w
 
i always figured if it was me and i hade to choose between heads and a cam i would prolly go with the heads. not saying a cam would be a bad choice i just see being able to get more power out of a set of heads than just a cam if i hade to choose between the two.
 
heads to a cam in a stock tbi motor is almost a toss up. but just for kicks go check the specs for a stock tbi flat tappet cam. :doah:

yes the heads suck for upper rpm flow in stock trim.

but everyone needs to remeber big heavy 4x4 needs low end tourqe to get rollin more than upper rpm hp.

so the lower flowing heads in a stock tbi give good bottom - mid range power to get the 4x4 heavy hog rollin.
 
heads to a cam in a stock tbi motor is almost a toss up. but just for kicks go check the specs for a stock tbi flat tappet cam. :doah:

yes the heads suck for upper rpm flow in stock trim.

but everyone needs to remeber big heavy 4x4 needs low end tourqe to get rollin more than upper rpm hp.

so the lower flowing heads in a stock tbi give good bottom - mid range power to get the 4x4 heavy hog rollin.


Not arguing, but here is a thought I had when I read this.
It has always been a given, that trucks with big tires, heavy bodies and frames need low end torque.

And for highway travel that is true unless you are running insane numbers in the axles.

But, consider this. With axle numbers in the 5s, what is your RPM range now?
To take it to an absurd point to illustrate what I mean, consider a truck with 3.50 rear end, standard tranny without a granny low gear, running 38 inch tires.
When you release that clutch, that engine is going to have to start making gobs of torque, and its going to have to do it from idle up to around 2500-3000 RPM.
Then, you shift, and it starts over again.

But, you put a set of, say, 5.35 gears in there, and suddenly your need for torque has shifted to a higher RPM range.
At a 1000, you are not accelerating those tires very fast, which is what you need the torque for.

That engine is going to ramp up a lot faster than before, and will need a different power curve.

Then, when you get offroad, consider the difference between a single 205 in low range, and a doubler with both in low range.

To get the same tire speed, there is going to be a huge difference in engine RPMs.

You are still going to need low end torque, but with some of the gearing you are doing these days, I suspect that some of your power curve needs are going to be closer to that of a street racer than you would suspect..


Just something to consider.
 
thats an often overlooked aspect of what makes gear calculators so invaluable... what your truly trying to obtain is gearing that operates the motor in the powerband it's designed to give peak performance at...

one mill may want 5:13's, yet a very different one in the same exact rig may need 4:56's...
 
one mill may want 5:13's

Glad you posted that. I can pull gear ratios out of my butt just fine up to 4.11s. After that, I don't know what the heck is out there.
I used 5.35, because it sounded good.

And you took my point in a different direction I did not consider.
If you have a truck with certain size tires and gears that needs a motor rebuild, do you rebuild for a power band to match the gears and tires, or do you figure on changing them to match the power band you expect to wind up with........
 
chevy is 4:10, 4:56, 4:88 and 5:13... tho iirc, there is a 5:38 out these days..


I'm always of the belief that you build the motor to the power curve characteristics you want, and adjust/tweak the drivetrain #'s to suit that... tho in the majority of cases, the motors are usually set up very similar to the prior mill so it's often a moot point.......
 
A roller cam has more advantages over a set of Vortec heads IMO. A set of Vortec heads will produce more power over just about any other stock head BUT you're limited to about 4000-4500 RPM in stock form. With a roller cam you get more power just from the less resistance of the roller lifter, you get more aggressive opening/closing ramps than a flat tappet cam, and they will produce power up to around 6500 RPM. There is alot more to installing a roller cam though as you also need new valve springs that are roller cam friendly, and it's a good ide to have a stronger pushrod.
 
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