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First time emissions fail...air pump?

JACKED_JIMMY_79

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So I have always passed emissions and today expecting the same. The emissions folks say the 1979 400ci should have an air pump going into the exhaust system...I have headers so it is possible it was removed? They (emissions folks) also said they may be wrong but must follow the mitchell manual.

So, looking for help... did the 1979 Jimmy (born in cali) come from the factory with an "air pump"? The said it would have been located on the passenger side and is belt driven.

As always...Thanks for the responses.

EDIT: Arizona
 
My 77 k20 400 auto 8400 gvwr has an air pump, is the only emission device, other than nox timing control. So I gonna say yes it probably had an air pump.
I was looking at Phoenix area smog laws a few months ago, I think they are worse than Cali now.
 
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I don't remember if my 77 had an air pump on the 400, but my 80 350 does.

Yes AZ emissions have gotten stupid, they are truly some of the worst in the country. We were still emissions testing motorcycles up till 3-4 years ago. Even CA has exemptions for years that we don't have. I had to get my 67 Firebird through emissions each year.

Some states are removing emissions programs because they've found that they've outlived their usefulness. New cars don't make emissions, old cars are either not driven enough to make a difference or are maintained in order to stay on the road. Not gonna say that it wasn't a good idea back in the day when it was created, but it's def outlived it's usefulness now.

There's people here that have failed emissions when they swap the ecm out - the vin in the ecm didn't match the number plate and the monkeys couldn't figure out how to test the vehicle.
 
Oh, and theres a couple of ref stations where they'd make the final call on whether you need AIR or not. Prob want to go there.
 
my experience with refs here in C.ali....is they apply to BAR for ref because no consumers will go to them for normal testing. they need a captive clientele. worthless
 
The testing stations here are run by state employees, I know in CA that private service stations can do that. The state employees here are usually monkeys. They follow the instructions on the screen and if it doesn't conform you either fail or they send you to the ref station. There's 2 or 3 here in phx.
 
What gets me is every two years in California when I get my Jimmy smogged I look at the test results print out. How is it that every time the max allowable HC (hydro carbons), etc. range is always lower every time:dunno: It’s the same truck, even if it were new its gonna make the emissions it makes. It is what it is. How can they make the allowed ranges lower and lower every time :thinking: What do they want me to do, come back in two year with a Prius engine in it?.
 
I'm retired from CalARB/EPA MVPC Inspector, Installer, Adjuster and later on as a referee and "Friend of The Court" in cases of criminal failures and modifications.

Yes - the specs are designed-in to get harder to meet as the vehicle gets older. Unfortunately, California rewrites the specs to make it that way so they can drive the older vehicles off the road.

Sorry - but that was always the idea.

We looked for M-M-D components first (Modified-Missing-Disconnected) . If they were all there, then we went on to the dyno-testing in two stages. Most failures were in the first M-M-D test, so few of them got to the second level of testing. Headers were a no-no (there are exceptions), then changing the fuel delivery and swapping the engine from diesel to gas (NEVER legal) etc.

Even the original transmission is required since it is directly responsible for RPM and shift points in compliance with the ignition and fuel delivery. If the tires were too big, the test would be aborted and a Failure would result in: No Smog Certificate For You!

REMEMBER: the way it came off the showroom floor is the way it needs to be tested.
  • There are some exceptions - like if a part is no longer made and no parts left to replace it - not even junkyard-used - can be found.
  • This is a REFEREE DECISION, and you cannot just go to a referee on your own accord.
  • You have to have failed the test, paid the fines and also fall into the GROSS POLLUTER ACT division before you can get 'referee'd' .
  • Your vehicle for forever from this point will require frequent testing to make sure you don't play games with the state.
  • You DO NOT want to be in Gross Polluter Hell!

Getting into the GROSS POLLUTER ACT is NOT an inexpensive idea. If you can, stay out of that definition, since it will be many times less expensive.


I moved from California about 12 years ago - ain't going back. I hate almost everything about the state. The state itself is beautiful, but the filthy people have ruined it. I figger that living where I am is going to be good enough for me at least until I die.

I trout fish maybe three times a week - even in Winter.
I carry a 10mm Glock for bears.
I sneak up on trout and I find I also sneak up on bears at the same time.
It is illegal to feed the bears.
Draw your own conclusions here.​

I can own guns where I live now and I can wear them when and where I want to, concealed or not.
I can have weapons that have over 6 rounds in the magazine (sorry California!)
I can carry pistols and rifles concealed and loaded at the same time in my vehicles and the cops don't care.
I can actually own a machine gun... but that's another story.​

We have no sales tax.
The best Mexican food we have is Taco Bell, the local beef and potatoes are the best however.​

But it's cold and snowy here. It's 11F right now at 1AM, and it will get to about 30F later today.

Summer is about 6 or 7 weeks long so we enjoy it quickly.

Above 46 degrees North Latitude, days swing from very long to very short.
 
My 76 K5 400 ci was a California truck.
It had an air pump.
I removed it and plugged all eight holes in the exhaust with brass plugs.
Made no difference in economy.. 9mpg.
No smog here so no problem.
Removing it eliminated the backfiring going down the 10% grade to Lovell though.
Wyoming is a way better state to live in.
No smog nonesense.
2nd ammendment uninfringed.
Zero traffic.
Cheap fuel.
Lot's of space.
Beautiful scenery.
Republican.

Edit: and Elk.. lots and lots of tasty animals.
 
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So they want to make sure you don’t play games with the state, but who’s the one really playing games here? If the state is at their own will, lowering the emissions ranges on purpose just to get these trucks off the road they are the ones playing games. My truck is 100% stock, almost everything new, and I still have to sweat a smog test every two years. My truck was made in USA, purchased in USA, payed all the rediculous gas taxes in USA, and the state is minipulating smog numbers to get it off the road. I call BS. And, I’m really tired of seeing all these Tesla’s and Prius’s on the road around here.
 
So they want to make sure you don’t play games with the state, but who’s the one really playing games here? If the state is at their own will, lowering the emissions ranges on purpose just to get these trucks off the road they are the ones playing games. My truck is 100% stock, almost everything new, and I still have to sweat a smog test every two years. My truck was made in USA, purchased in USA, payed all the rediculous gas taxes in USA, and the state is minipulating smog numbers to get it off the road. I call BS. And, I’m really tired of seeing all these Tesla’s and Prius’s on the road around here.
I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I’ve heard the battery manufacturing for these electric cars is way worse an environmental impact than our old vehicles.
 
I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I’ve heard the battery manufacturing for these electric cars is way worse an environmental impact than our old vehicles.
I agree, and then there’s the battery disposal issue. I should also say that my truck was purchased new in California, and has been here ever since. I am the second owner. California has no problem collecting my registration fees every year. Have you seen the ships idling in the bay waiting for a spot at port? HUGE Diesel engines idled indefinitely. And they would still rather focus on getting my truck off the road. Sorry for ranting, but this smog thing with my truck really pisses me off
 
Chainsaw emission crap.
Like how much gas can a chainsaw burn in it's life let alone pollute.
Damn California.
 
So they want to make sure you don’t play games with the state, but who’s the one really playing games here? If the state is at their own will, lowering the emissions ranges on purpose just to get these trucks off the road they are the ones playing games. My truck is 100% stock, almost everything new, and I still have to sweat a smog test every two years. My truck was made in USA, purchased in USA, payed all the rediculous gas taxes in USA, and the state is minipulating smog numbers to get it off the road. I call BS. And, I’m really tired of seeing all these Tesla’s and Prius’s on the road around here.

I didn't say it was a righteous situation - to the contrary. To change Pass/Fail criteria after the fact is something you have to understand as coming from duly elected officials and if these persons don't reflect your desires, they are still elected officials and that's the way it is.

OK - point made - but let's review some of the anger and discontent with the way things are going on regarding emissions and emission controls rules and laws, and enforcement of them.

In the federal arena, all the laws that are decided upon and made to be enforced upon the manufacturers is SUPPOSED to sharpen up the herd by winnowing out those companies and vehicles that do not pass ever-tightening rules and regulations. Yeah - it's not only unfair - it's also unpopular.

Blame the ironworkers, ore-smelters, steel manufacturers, the unions, somebody's brother-in-law who owns an A.I.R. Pump manufacturing facility - it's not always fair - but it is the law. This is on a Federal level and if perchance your state refuses to enforce these laws, so be it.

BUT these laws are still in effect and I for one have no problem with an A.I.R. pump on a vehicle since it's 'drag on horsepower' really doesn't exist in that it injects air into the exhaust well after all the horsepower has been generated.

It never fails to amuse and amaze me that people are so hostile to a single device that by itself removes such a tremendous amount of unburned fuel that it alone is the single most effective device on earlier engines in the first place. If it 'backfires' it is NOT the pumps fault. It is the diverter valve - or in some cases, the dump valve as it has been incorrectly called. During deceleration, the non-injected engines can go rich and that unburned fuel is pushed out the exhaust valve and if the 'smog pump' is still sending air into the exhaust stream, yes - indeed you can experience backfire.

I remember that the 1966 1/2 GMs had a bad design diverter valve and they failed constantly. The repair was to install an update valve - which the dealers did as a recall. However, by that time many shade tree mechanics had taken the whole A.I.R system off the engine.

Later on, when the "66-70 Retrofit NOx " systems fiasco was required, many of these M-M-D vehicles were caught and cited as non-compliant for the M-M-D inspection evaluation.

So - and since I have COPD from exposure to Agent Orange and the effects of being a shipfitter (welder-fabricator) in the US Navy, I am particularly bugged by those who remove their A.I.R systems. It causes no harm to the engine, it's performance and it is such a reliable and positive force in clean, breathable air that I wrinkle at the person who would do this to the air I am forced to breathe.

The purple and brown haze in the air that you can see (LA are you listening?) is very likely from M-M-D systems. THAT is the singularity - it is the GAME that people play with the ARB.

Remember the guys who took their cats off during the year and put them back on to get their vehicles tested for registration purposes? Remember how the cats were made of stainless steel and they were a b-i-t-c-h to reweld conventionally and you were forced to take your cats-in-hand to a muffler shop to get it re-heliarc'd to the system?

Remember how the muffler shops were fined when caught, for doing that? Remember how the muffler shops began to refuse to reinstall a cat for you on fear of that $25,000 fine and loss of ever doing business in California again?

I'm all for that - fine the snot out of those who illegally remove critical parts from their systems because they think they are getting away with something - 'gaming the system' so to speak.

Reality check here:
How much performance or economy was gained when you whacked off the A.I.R system? ZERO!
How much trouble is it to keep the belt on the pulley to drive the pump? NONE.
How much trouble is it to keep decent vacuum lines on the GULP VALVE and CTS? Very little!

FWIW: I still have my original 'smog pump' on my 1986 K5 since it causes me no grief, loss of horsepower nor loss of fuel economy - and I even have the same belt on it that was there when I bought this K5 in 1991.

This ---> as an aside: the state in which I reside does not require emission testing on vehicles. That's their choice, but it is after all a FEDERAL LAW that is not being enforced here ---- and even so, I opt to stay as OE in the emission department as I can.

SIDEBAR: Some over 8,001 lb GVR GM BB and SB vehicles ONLY have the A.I.R pump and they run pretty damned clean at the tailpipe.

So where's the gripe? The problem? The performance gain?

You have a non-argument here concerning your 'Smog Pump' and all the 'grief' it causes you.

I say: "BS".
 
I am all for clean air. I agree with the air pump thing. What bothers me is my truck, (EFI so no air pump), is ALL STOCK, ALL smog related components are there and working properly. And I still have a hard time passing smog (it does pass, just barely) because the state lowers the allowed numbers every year just to get a perfectly running all stock, excellent condition truck off the road, that was purchased here in California originally.​
 
@89 jimmy:

I agree and the biggest reason why I moved here was for a totally different vehicle. My '89 Isuzu Amigo fell into the Gross Polluter Act because the harmonic balancer shifted- which is typical for the 2.6L engine, and the buffoon running the test M-M-D'd it.

The next move was to drive it to Snowflake AZ and register it at my other address. California has not seen that vehicle since except for when I drove it back on AZ tags.

A year later it was in Montana and even though I know it was passable, you. can't fix stupidity.

As a licensed inspector I was not allowed to test my own vehicle.

You might say I really did fix a dumb@ss though..... by watching California disappear in my rear view mirrors.
 
My 76 K5 400 ci was a California truck.
It had an air pump.
I removed it and plugged all eight holes in the exhaust with brass plugs.
Made no difference in economy.. 9mpg.
No smog here so no problem.
Removing it eliminated the backfiring going down the 10% grade to Lovell though.
Wyoming is a way better state to live in.
No smog nonesense.
2nd ammendment uninfringed.
Zero traffic.
Cheap fuel.
Lot's of space.
Beautiful scenery.
Republican.

Edit: and Elk.. lots and lots of tasty animals.
It is.... but it’s closed. We have a good voter base with the pronghorn. :whistle:
 

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