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Fitch Fuel Catalyst

robert97dodge

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Anybody by chance run this deal on any of there vehicles? I saw them install one on Trucks last week on a '06 dodge CTD with the 5.9L. THey are supposed to report back if it helps the fuel mileage. I remember them advertising these a few months back. It is really easy to install too. They sell them on summit for the '05 5.9L CTD for $295. I was just wanting to know if anyone has any experience with them though.
 
No experience here, I did watch them test it with a regular gas engine on the dyno. They found it reduced the number of gallons that were being burned, even though they were using lower octane fuel. I am watching for the update from Trucks, as my dad is interested for his 04 CTD. A little more fuel mileage is a good thing for him, especially since he just bought a 30' fifth wheel.
 
I'd like to see some actual scientific type testing that would demonstrate the fact the fuel composition and burn characteristics were "changed" by the catalyst..

the product website claims that the FFC works by converting long chain hydrocarbons to short chain hydrocarbons..I'd like to see proof of that from a real fuel and / or combustion sciences lab, such as southwest research, or staveley..


one other thing - some of their marketing claims I've seen say that the EPA has "certified" or "approved" the FFC.. problem with that is the fact that the EPA does not, can not, and will not certify or approve these sorts of devices or additives..
 
Absolutely no idea. Could it work? Possibly. Does it work? I have no idea. If it could save stale gas, that is something. And it might just be a small version of what is used by the fuel industry to freshen fuel during delivery and storage. Im grasping at straws here.
 
I'd like to think the guys on Trucks are honest, but Fitch is a sponsor, so I'd be a little suspicious of their test.
 
I work for an independent automotive testing company and am personally involved in doing all types of fuel economy testing ranging from larger reputable manufacturers to guys mixing magic potions in their basement. I have no personal experience with this Fitch thing, but I am extremely doubtful it actually does anything.

I just looked at the website and saw where they have a report saying they had an increase of 32+% fuel economy on an Impala doing a FTP 75 test (performed on a dyno)........uhhh, sure. Companies jump for joy if they can show 3-4% improvement.

So if anybody wants to drop $300 on one go ahead and do it and report back. But even if it does save some fuel (if it does work, maybe a couple %)) it's still going to take a long time to recoup that money.
 
You think that perhaps that is the reason that the first host of trucks and also of muscle car both left? I hear Jessee from 4x4 is leaving too.
 
I work for an independent automotive testing company and am personally involved in doing all types of fuel economy testing ranging from larger reputable manufacturers to guys mixing magic potions in their basement. I have no personal experience with this Fitch thing, but I am extremely doubtful it actually does anything.

I just looked at the website and saw where they have a report saying they had an increase of 32+% fuel economy on an Impala doing a FTP 75 test (performed on a dyno)........uhhh, sure. Companies jump for joy if they can show 3-4% improvement.

So if anybody wants to drop $300 on one go ahead and do it and report back. But even if it does save some fuel (if it does work, maybe a couple %)) it's still going to take a long time to recoup that money.
This is why I am curious about the test on Trucks. They displayed the computer reading from the onboard calculator for the baseline, so they need to do that after the test. I just have to wonder how much other stuff they really do to show the results the company is saying are possible.
 
This is why I am curious about the test on Trucks. They displayed the computer reading from the onboard calculator for the baseline, so they need to do that after the test. I just have to wonder how much other stuff they really do to show the results the company is saying are possible.

The first issue is that the accuracy of the onboard computer calcuations are fairly sketchy.....they will give you a rough idea but not that accurate or consistent.

You also can't just go run through one tank of gas and say you got X fuel economy, then install some device and run through a tank of gas and say you now have X fuel economy. Any industry accepted fuel economy test standard requires at least 3 repeatable runs in each configuration and you have to compare two vehicles to each other.

Quick summary:
Take two as identical as possible trucks in stock configuration and run them on the exact same route at the same time, always using the same driver in one truck and the same driver in the other truck. You need a minimum of 3 runs where the fuel consumption ratio between both trucks are all within 2% of each other, and the time it takes the trucks to run the route has to be within 0.5% each time. Theoretically the ratio would be 1:1, meaning both trucks used the same identical amount of fuel. Though it's never identical and thus the reason you need to do this. There is usually at least a couple % difference between them.

Then install the magic device on one of the trucks, leaving the other one stock, and repeat the runs. If the device helps the ratio will now be something like 1.2:1 (basically the difference between the above baseline raito)....meaning the one truck now does 20% better.
 
The first issue is that the accuracy of the onboard computer calcuations are fairly sketchy.....they will give you a rough idea but not that accurate or consistent.

You also can't just go run through one tank of gas and say you got X fuel economy, then install some device and run through a tank of gas and say you now have X fuel economy. Any industry accepted fuel economy test standard requires at least 3 repeatable runs in each configuration and you have to compare two vehicles to each other.

Quick summary:
Take two as identical as possible trucks in stock configuration and run them on the exact same route at the same time, always using the same driver in one truck and the same driver in the other truck. You need a minimum of 3 runs where the fuel consumption ratio between both trucks are all within 2% of each other, and the time it takes the trucks to run the route has to be within 0.5% each time. Theoretically the ratio would be 1:1, meaning both trucks used the same identical amount of fuel. Though it's never identical and thus the reason you need to do this. There is usually at least a couple % difference between them.

Then install the magic device on one of the trucks, leaving the other one stock, and repeat the runs. If the device helps the ratio will now be something like 1.2:1 (basically the difference between the above baseline raito)....meaning the one truck now does 20% better.

Sounds like the TMC / SAE type three fuel test.. it's ok as long as one remembers that it's designed to test products that are supposed to take immediate effect, if there is such a thing.

on the other hand, just as you wouldn't subject radial tires to a test designed to find the limits of bias ply tires, there are technologies that this type of test isn't capable of evaluating :whistle:

evaluating a single vehicle for mileage improvements isn't a totally flawed proposition if you have an established baseline, somewhat consistent routes, meticulous recordkeeping, and some basic math skills..

it's funny - a guy can dyno his car once, take it home, and throw on a cat back exhaust, and dyno it again sometime later.. if he shows even the slightest improvement,well, it's high fives all around.. but god forbid someone tries a fuel savings device and more than one day passes between installation and reporting the results..if it fails, that's expected..if it shows an improvement, the guy is labeled a delusional nitwit by people who are suddenly experts in fuel chemistry and combustion.

If a vehicle was getting X miles per gallon consistently beforehand, and gets a consistent improvement of X afterwards, then the device works..someone might say " that's only one car, and doesn't prove anything", but the same can be said about the one truck in test you are describing.. nobody will buy anything they don't believe in, no matter what test its subjected to.

that's always the conundrum - everyone believes in dynos, until a technology nobody believes in does well on one..then they demand real world proof because they say dynos aren't accurate..yet they demanded dyno testing to begin with because they don't trust the real world results.. dynos or real world, it's all an educated guess..eventually you have to spend the money and try the thing if you want to solve the problem..

I'm not defending the fitch thingy, just offering random thoughts.. again, for me to take a fuel saving technology seriously, I would want explanation and proof of the how and why it works..and I'd be more jazzed if I could see results over a range of time, conditions, loads, and environments, as opposed to what it did in one test..
 
Sounds like the TMC / SAE type three fuel test.. it's ok as long as one remembers that it's designed to test products that are supposed to take immediate effect, if there is such a thing.
Same requirements are needed for the Type II or Type IV procedures. However the "immediate effect" is not accurate as there is nothing in the requirements that say you can't do any break-ins or whatever between the baseline and test runs. It is not unusual for days, weeks, or any months to pass between the runs.

on the other hand, just as you wouldn't subject radial tires to a test designed to find the limits of bias ply tires, there are technologies that this type of test isn't capable of evaluating :whistle:

Don't understand this comment, fuel economy is fuel economy. You can run different types of routes dependent on what type of device you (i.e. aerodynamics usually like higher sustained speeds, some additives claim they help with lot's of stop and starting, etc...). Maybe the magic additive only works on the moon???

evaluating a single vehicle for mileage improvements isn't a totally flawed proposition if you have an established baseline, somewhat consistent routes, meticulous recordkeeping, and some basic math skills..

it's funny - a guy can dyno his car once, take it home, and throw on a cat back exhaust, and dyno it again sometime later.. if he shows even the slightest improvement,well, it's high fives all around.. but god forbid someone tries a fuel savings device and more than one day passes between installation and reporting the results..if it fails, that's expected..if it shows an improvement, the guy is labeled a delusional nitwit by people who are suddenly experts in fuel chemistry and combustion.
You can get by with one car on a dyno test because it is in laboratory environment and the driving is very controlled but again you have to be able to show repeatable results. It's almost impossible to get any valid results in any type of "real world" test with only one vehicle because if anything the weather conditons affect it. But if you have two trucks running at the same time they should both be effected the same amount, and thus the reason you always compare the fuel use ratio between them. In any case there is a reason that using only one vehicle in this type of test is not accepted in industry or government.

If a vehicle was getting X miles per gallon consistently beforehand, and gets a consistent improvement of X afterwards, then the device works..someone might say " that's only one car, and doesn't prove anything", but the same can be said about the one truck in test you are describing.. nobody will buy anything they don't believe in, no matter what test its subjected to.
See my statement above. There is not one truck involved. Besides, what do you consider "consistent"? I've seen the exact same vehicles run the exact same route with the same driver (trained professional) on back to back days and the amount of fuel it consumes can vary by 10-15% easily.

I don't claim to be the ultimate expert, but this is what I do everyday at work.
 
I asked FFC about an inline catalyst and they provided me with a part number for our blazers. I ordered one from summit, ended up be $188 with shipping. I have looked at these things for 7-8 years when I first saw the advertisement in the back of Super chevy, so I finally decided to try it. If you contact them they will supply you with testimonies with names of people who bought them, also tests that multiple magazines have done and found they do what they claim. It should be in tomorrow. My big thing is running a lower octane without pinging, running cleaner, and also the better MPG. FFC provides a 90 day money guarrantee, so if it doesn't work, I'll take it out and send it back!
 
Ok, so my FCC came in friday and got it installed right away. I mounted it right next to the fuel pump on the frame so it is easy to get to and I don't have to cut any metal lines, just took the inlet hose off the fuel pump. The part number the rec. for a blazer with a 350 was F38G4.

I haven't driven it enough yet, but what I have noticed is that it smells like it is running cleaner with fewer emissions, and while driving up hills it seems to have more power, I don't have to push the gas down as far to maintain speed going up. GM rec. 91 octane for my crate engine, I ran 91 and had spark knock, and when I ran 89 I had spark knock. I have 89 in the tank now and I had a little spark knock once but that was right after I put the FCC on, and since then I haven't had any.

I will continue to drive it, just wanted to post an update as I figured some are curious about it. Before the FCC my fuel mileage was averaging between 10-10.7 since I put on my electric fans last summer. Hopefully I will see something more. So far it's looking promising.
 
UPDATE: So I have been running the fitch fuel catalyst for a few months now and to my surprise I have noticed many things. First off the smell of it is that it is burning cleaner. No more black smoke when I lay into it. Secondly I am able to run a lower octane as advertised. I had to run 91 in my 350 HO. Even with that octane it was spark knocking. I am now running 89 with no spark knock, only on VERY hot days with the A/C on, while on the highway. So I am saving $.20 per gallon per tank, about $5.60 in savings per tank.

Also the performance I noticed has increased. I'm not saying it a miracle power maker, but it pulls up hills a lot easier and pulls trailors a lot better. Also when you kick it down it GOES.

Also my oil was dirtier at first which they say it will be while it cleans out the combustion chamber, and now the oil stays cleaner longer.

As far as fuel mileage I noticed a small amount of increase. Since I drive in town with short trips it might throw it off. I don't drive it long distances.

Would I buy it again? I would say yes
 

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