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Ford, Dodge or GM....Not the typical post/questions...

Don't know what to say about that Jason, except that my Ram, which I liked a lot went through half a dozen back brake drums and finally got a complete new brake system to eliminate a problem with rear drums which warped enough to pulse/hop after every 3k miles or so. It also had a leaking coolant overflow tank replaced and a broken window regulator (little plastic wheel in one runner broke off and had to buy the whole power regulator assembly since they don't sell parts)

And the Chevy has not been in for anything at all since I've owned it. Nada, nothing at all. However, the little lock slider button does keep popping off the door when the power locks throw, so I should probably get that fixed...

As for back seats, it works like this (at least when I bought mine).

GM was clearly the biggest with best back seat and leg room in the Crew Cabs.

Ford was a bit smaller, but seat was deemed less comfortable than GM by both kids and my wife, I didn't try it since I wouldn't be back there. Seems like measurements showed more head room (or something) in the Ford, but the consistent impression was that it was smaller period...

Dodge was MUCH smaller than the others and the seat was more like a padded church pew (my wife's words).
 
Yep, Dodge does not offer a crewcab for some reason... They have an extended cab with 4 regular opening doors. It's larger than their previous extended cabs but it is definately not a full crew cab. My 96's cab is waaaay bigger. But my 6'-2" dad can fit in the back with no problems, alot better than my grandfathers 99 ext. cab dodge. My 5-10" body can't fit in that thing...
 
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Me too KJ??
I am doing a refi and my wife has agreed to give me a 'TowRig fund'. I don't know how much I am gonna end up with but somewere around 30K. I am leaning toward a GM with Dodge 2nd.
My wife's expedition has leather. I just did a road trip up to Oregon and back in it. The leather seats didn't hassel me too much. With the AC running my butt didn't get sweaty like I expected it too. All in all the leather wasn't that bad. I have always been a 'cloth seat guy' but I may change to leather...kinda worried about thrashing it though?
/forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gifsitting on the fence next to KJ /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

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Definatley with ya on that one. These fences aren't really comfy are they? lol, wheres the leather fence post? /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif

For the check engine light thing, it happens. Could just as well have happend to a Dodge or Ford. And I don't like the newer style GM HD's anyways. The headlighs/grill looks retarded. When did they start with the angular headlights like that? '03? Are the interiors different between the two different GM exteriors? Or just the head lights/grill? Guess it doens't matter really, I'll probably be lookin for an 01-02 when the time comes. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
 
I agree, I hate the "Angry Chinaman" fronts. The '05 looks a bit better, but I'll stick with my '02. '01 and '02 Chevy looked the best. And the '01-'04 GMC looks almost as good, they didn't get the foobar Avalanche disaster front ends that the Chevy got. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif If I got something newer than an '02 it would HAVE to be a GMC.

Interiors are pretty much all the same with a few bits changing. '03 got better sound system (marginally) with steering wheel controls. They also got a "DIC" screen. But, the lost the cabin filter in the AC, and gained "dual zone climate control". But the basic package is pretty much the same as far as I know...
 
hahaha Angry Chinaman...that was funny
I read the 05 has bigger brakes and 17" wheels for the bigger calipers.
I haven't been able to find any pics of the front though?
 
I saw a pic of the '05 front on "The Diesel Place". Hadn't heard about the brakes or wheel size.
 
Slight HighJack KJ....bare with me
here is the infor I found on the 05 model

"The brake upgrade coming this fall on '05 models is worth the wait. It uses 17-inch diameter wheels, instead of 16-inchers, to allow bigger front brake rotors, which is the part that does much of the work. Everything else about the brake system changes, too, from the master cylinder to the hydraulic lines to a new supplier of brake components, Bosch, all to get rid of the feeling that you're stabbing your foot into a bucket of mush."

I found it here:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2004-04-22-silverado_x.htm

High Jack OFF.... /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

I am going to a GMC dealership today at lunch to find out more....
 
The brake "upgrade" is to drums in the back, and maybe whatever else that article says.

HOWEVER, it is for 1/2 tons only. I read this info awhile back.. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
 
Hmmm, It says the rotors are larger so the 17" wheel is needed. Drums don't use rotors right? This is the only report I have read about the brake differance. I have a dealer looking into it for me. Plus I thought 2500HD used 4wheel disk brakes?
Ok now I need to find the REAL answer...anyone know anyone working at a GM factory? hehehehe
 
They are upgrading the fronts, necessitating the larger 17" wheels. The rears are going to drums instead of the current discs.

This applies only to the 1500 series trucks and likely tahoes burbs (1500). That article ommitted that info.

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Bosch, GM Bolster Truck Brakes
Joint project reduces pedal pressure, distance for stopping of 2005 Sierra and Chevrolet Silverado

The Detroit News
By Ed Garsten

May 25, 2004



MILFORD — Hoping to overcome negative consumer feedback and improve a key product amid stiff new competition, General Motors Corp. and brake supplier Robert Bosch AG have teamed up to develop a new braking system for the 2005 GMC Sierra and Chevrolet Silverado pickup trucks.



The new brakes will allow drivers to stop or slow more quickly while applying less pressure on the pedal.



The Silverado and Sierra are two of GM’s best-selling and profitable vehicles but are squaring off in the U.S. marketplace with the all-new Ford F-150 and Nissan Titan, as well as the Dodge Ram.



With the new brakes, the amount of time needed to stop has been reduced by two seconds and stopping distance has been cut by 85 feet, using just the front brakes.



In recent J.D. Power and Associates quality studies, customers complained that it took too much effort to depress the brake pedal, that the pedals felt mushy or soft and that the brakes just didn’t have enough stopping power.



“People said when they first touched the brakes they felt nothing,” said Ken Hamann, director of brake systems for GM.



Bosch was given responsibility for developing the new system when it was awarded the contract in 2002, said Tom Brennan, Bosch engineering manager.



Working with two or three lower-tier suppliers, Bosch improved the stiffness in the front brake calipers to reduce pedal travel — the distance a driver must depress the pedal before braking begins — changed boosters and redistributed power between the front and rear brakes.



“We did more with the front and a little less with the rear for overall better brake distribution and balance,” Brennan said.



Despite the improvements, the system will not cost more to install because the federal government has dropped requirements for certain brake control components, said Terry Woychowski, GM’s chief engineer for full-size trucks.



In a new J.D. Power initial quality study released earlier this month, customers reported a high number of problems with the brakes on the Silverado and Sierra.



“Compared to the segment, they’re having more quality issues in those areas than those of their competitors,” said Carolyn Picard, senior general manager at J.D. Power.



Across the industry, the average number of braking problems per 100 vehicles for light duty pickup trucks was 7.5. The Silverado had 10.5 problems per 100 models, and the Sierra had 12.6 problems per 100. In comparison, the Ford F-150 Heritage and Lightning models topped the list with just 2.9 problems per hundred vehicles, the Dodge Ram had 4.8. The new Nissan Titan was last with 16.5 problems per 100 models tracked.



The study included eight different brake-related problems ranging from noise to pull to inadequate stopping power.



In equipping the 2005 Sierra and Silverado with the improved brake system, GM should be given credit for recognizing and fixing the problem, Picard said.



GM measures overall braking comfort and performance on a scale — from zero to 100 — it calls its brake feel index. The automaker estimates the brake feel index will improve to 84 in the 2005 Silverado and Sierra crew cab models, up from 62 points on 2004 models, according to Hamann.



In comparison, the brake feel index for the 2004 Ford F-150 super crew is 76 points, 62 points for the 2004 Dodge Ram quad cab, 71 points for the 2004 Titan crew cab and 59 points for the 2004 Toyota Tundra, according to GM.



The improvements to the brakes in the Silverado and Sierra include a new master cylinder that helps reduce pedal travel, along with larger front rotors and larger rear brake drums, Woychowski said.



“They feel more natural,” he said.


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The 2500HD's and 3500's have great brakes. Discs front and rear. This will not be changing. GM way overengineered the brakes on these trucks to stop any complaints of porr braking feel.

I've seen the specs on GM buypower for the 05 HD's.. Tires are the 16" variety, so I am assuming that the wheels will also be 16"
 
I am 5' 9" tall and 210#'s. I have rode in all of the big 3 HD trucks and frankly I think they are all comfortable in there own ways.

I have an `04.5 2500 SLT QC 4x4 CTD and recently took a 1000+ mile trip over the coarse of 23 hours. I have to say that my a$$ never got tired and I have the low quality cloth seats. The QC is better than the old trucks but it has the near verticle rear seat which would not be comfortable on a long road trip. Other than that the radio controls are a little to far away for my reach. The amount of storage in the Dodge is awesome. With the upgraded cloth seat, you get additional storage under the bottom of the center seat in the front. The rear seat has lots of storage under it and a fold flat floor option that is nice. Of coarse Dodge has the huge center console which makes a good arm rest too. The road manners of this truck are nice. I have not heard if the new AAM axles DC is putting in these trukcs has cured the ball joint problems that made some of the Dodges drive like crap in the past. The interior noise of the Dodge is tons quieter than previous years. The engine can be heard with the radio off and the windows up but it is not that noticable and pretty much non-existant with the radio quietly playing. One other thing, the quality of the Dodge interiors and exteriors is 10 fold to what they used to be. I heard complaints about soft paint that scatches easily on the first `04 Dodges but that was also winter production times when you can expect to have softer paint due to the elements.

The Ford CC SD trucks seem to have larger interiors than any of the trucks. They just have a big 'roomy' feel to them. Other than that the interior layout is ugly. Also the 6.0 PSD is very expensive to work on. A serpentine belt change is listed as a 3.5 hr job in the service books and it requires dismantling a lot off the front of the engine just to get to it. I have zero long road trip expieriance in the Ford. My gradparents, who have both gone through back surgeries and are in there 70's, travel the country pulling their TT in a `99 2wd SD and have no complaints (except about being old /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif)on the ride and control. The PSD is also a loud truck. The engine can easily be heard inside the cab with the radio on and the windows up.

I personally would have bought the D-max if I had not heard/researched so many good reviews on the Cummins. The GM interiors don't seem as 'roomy' to me as the other 2 due to layout but they are pretty comfortable. The IFS front suspension does offer a more 'car like' ride if that is a big selling point. The `04 Dmax is also one quiet SOB when brand new. They get louder as time goes by but still, the interior noise from the engine is almost non-existant with the windows up and the radio off.


The biggest reason I went with the Dodge is the price (9K off sticker). I would love to have a true crew cab but I don't ever ride back there and I don't haul more than one person in the truck with me 99.7% of the time. It has a higher GCVWR than the other 2. It is also very easy to work on being it is only a inline 6. I was able to afford a 4wd which is a requirement for me because of the big heavy diesel in the front and the amount of time I spend in crappy soft soil. I see tons of 2wd HD's with diesels stuck in just the slightest of soft dirt because of the weight up front. The Dmax/Allison/CC/4x4 was several thousand out of my price range even with my haggling skills, which are pretty good by the way.

I would say for a plush cushy ride go with the Dmax. For a good ride, good quality, best bang for the buck, go with the Dodge. I would avoid the Ford like the plauge.
 
Cool man! Thanks for clearning that up /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
Man this fence post is hurting my BUTTT /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
 
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If anybody is interested I can take some pictures of the new '05 d-max's at work. We have quite a few in stock now.

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Please do! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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If anybody is interested I can take some pictures of the new '05 d-max's at work. We have quite a few in stock now.

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Please do! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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I've got a couple spy pics from a GM show..

See here... This is a 3500 SRW. Only available with the steel wheels and 265/75/R16E Tires, and longbed

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Do you sell GM trucks? were is apple valley?

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His dad owns a dealership in AV. Apple Valley is right on the way to Johnson Valley where the Hammers trails are. It's about 3 hours from Bakersfield so however long it takes you to get here from where you are add 3 hours /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

But I don't know if you can trust those so cal big dawg guys...
 

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