Thanks Battlewagon83 that will help out a lot. For some strange reason I was thinking the top of the door kicked up right above the door handle, but can clearly see in your pic it is smooth and the kick up is the bed side. Great info and I really appreciate it and your time. And nvrenuf that info and pics could be vital also, sounds like your going the traditional way and using donor parts? Having both on one page would be great, not just for me, but for future k5ers. Again guys thanks for all the great info.