There were atleast 4 of them following the creek, but I didn't notice them til I saw my goats looking in there direction. My 20 gauge is dead on at the 60 or so yrds, slugs make big holes...I'm so fricken amped right now I can't stand it.It's payback time, 20 chickens 2 ducks a few turkeys and one baby goat and a couple cats. They will pay dearly...