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GM 10 Bolt front, can’t get axle shaft out of the spindle enough to install inner snap ring!

Recon 78 said:
I've only ever worked on older 10 bolts and d44
Was the spacer something to make the auto hubs line up?
Alot of guys have the same problem when they swap autos for manuals
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That's kind of along the lines I'm thinking. Everything from the knuckle out is identical between a d44 and 10 bolt in this case. The ones you get now are plastic and one I pulled out was brass.
 
With the spacer in there is ample room for the snap ring to go on outside of the hub, but that’s not my particular issue, my issue is the inner snap that goes on just outside the edge of the spindle, I can’t get the axle to stick out of the end of the spindle far enough to get the snap ring back on. It’s close, but just barely not enough

ZooMad75 said:
I think the difference really comes down to the type of lockout hub you have on the end as to if the spacer is needed or not.

Here's my back-asswards logic. The stock hubs may have a different over all thickness when the outer hub is installed inside the housing. That hub might need the spacer in order to position the end of the axle shaft with just enough space for the snap ring to go on the end of the shaft. My Warn premium hubs must be thicker because I couldn't get the snap ring on the end of the shaft either. I had tried prying out on the shaft at the u-joint but I could tell it was bottomed out. The spacer does have a slight beveled edge on the inner diameter and thought I might have it in backwards. So I pulled it apart and reversed it and reassembled. No change. Pulled it apart again, yanked the spacer and reassembled. The snap ring fit right in and the axle itself had no slop in or out.

I may be all wet on my idea, but I haven't had any I'll effects from the spacer being gone.

Take a close look when you get it apart on the order of items as they come off.
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Recon 78 said:
I've only ever worked on older 10 bolts and d44
Was the spacer something to make the auto hubs line up?
Alot of guys have the same problem when they swap autos for manuals
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I removed the stock auto hub and put in a set of Mile marker premiums, and they fit great, but I had never removed the hub before. I’m wondering if indeed the spacer is only there because of the auto hubs... hm... like they need the hub the axle shaft inward of the spindle slightly for auto hub engagement but the manual lockers like the shaft all the way out? Come to think of it, on another 10 bolt in the past I think one side had the spacer and the other didn’t have it... maybe that’s what’s up here, my passenger side didn’t have it and the driver did and that’s why it’s an issue?
 
When you say spacer, are you talking about the thrust bearing?
Brass or plastic with large chamfer on one side to clear radius
 
Just checked, parts list calls it thrust washer/spacer lol
Don't think that's your problem since they all use the same part#
When you said spacer i thought you meant an extra , different, piece
 
Okay so I just tore it down, it looks like the axle shaft might have been slammed into the differential from that curb hit, just ever so slightly. I didn’t get before pics but before the inner axle C was tight against the diff tube and with the hub and wheel installed it did NOT want to budge, once I got the wheel back off the hub (I had it sitting on it for seating the bearings) I could move it a teeny tiny bit but still not enough for the snap ring to get into the groove. I just got it pulled out a considerable amount. The need bearing if the spindle was sitting right where it should been on the axle shaft, the hub pushed the seal back almost perfectly, and everything was clean and smooth. I’m pretty sure the axle was just jammed in the diff and it was binding up. I’m about to reassemble, so wish me luck!

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UPDATE: success! Back on, snap ring installed, and now that I’ve freed the axle from the diff it moves like the passenger side did. Axle spins nicely, for good measure after I finish I’m gonna jack it up so both fronts are off the ground put the tcase in neutral lock the hubs and spin them just to make sure it’s all smooth and there’s no funny noises or resistance from the axle binding. I’m hoping to find a decent deal on a Dana 60 before I have to put any money into this 10 bolt besides this but I’ll probably start planning on axle shafts/u joints.

I did have to pry up and down at the u joint to get the axle to slide back into the differential but it slid smooth and it’s all seemingly lined up nicely. Now to get the hub back in and move on. Thanks again for brain storming and sharing your knowledge and trying to help me out, this site and it’s members rocks!

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RockBottomRacing said:
UPDATE: success! Back on, snap ring installed, and now that I’ve freed the axle from the diff it moves like the passenger side did. Axle spins nicely, for good measure after I finish I’m gonna jack it up so both fronts are off the ground put the tcase in neutral lock the hubs and spin them just to make sure it’s all smooth and there’s no funny noises or resistance from the axle binding. I’m hoping to find a decent deal on a Dana 60 before I have to put any money into this 10 bolt besides this but I’ll probably start planning on axle shafts/u joints.

I did have to pry up and down at the u joint to get the axle to slide back into the differential but it slid smooth and it’s all seemingly lined up nicely. Now to get the hub back in and move on. Thanks again for brain storming and sharing your knowledge and trying to help me out, this site and it’s members rocks!

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Man. When you said you hit it with the pry bar, I figured it was moving as far out as the shaft would go before the seal stopped it at the spindle

Guess I’ll ask more betterer questions next time

Glad you won!
 
Bent77 said:
Man. When you said you hit it with the pry bar, I figured it was moving as far out as the shaft would go before the seal stopped it at the spindle

Guess I’ll ask more betterer questions next time

Glad you won!
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Thanks a bunch! Me too, it was driving me nuts!

Anyone able to confirm the snap ring on the end of the axle shaft for the locking hub goes on the outer groove like pictured? I’m 99% sure but just for peace of mind lol, just about finished up!

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Having to pry bar the long side/driver side shaft is fairly normal. It wants to just lay in the axle tube vs jump up into the carrier lol.
 
I’ve never had one in that spot although I know it’s supposed to be. I don’t think it fit correctly with my warn premium hubs. But it’s been 20 years and no I’ll effects. Glad you got yours fitting though.
 
I've done some looking around and only found a snap ring with a washer on the Auto-Hub layout. Otherwise, only at the end after the manual hub is installed.
 
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