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So fun and very informative weekend for me.

I was up in boise helping a buddy test a couple of his own cam grinds and mess around with a couple other things.

First off they guy with the dyno was super knowledgeable. Been doing it a while and his predictions were pretty much spot on. Really enjoyed talking to him about all sorts of cool stuff.

We also found out that stock 317 /243 heads run out of air before most think they do.

We had a pull where our peak hp and torque was 460 for both. Average torque was 433. This is with a cam way smaller than almost anybody else's torque cam. With the bigger cam, which is still smaller by a decent amount, than most companies torque cams we lost power everywhere. Heads were out of air.

That 460/460 pull was stock cathedral port heads. 1.8 rockers. Cam we call " the baby" LS 2 valve springs, 92 mm throttle body, tbss intake and 36 lb injectors. We figured out you would only need 30 lb/hr injectors though. Oh and a good tune obviously.

All of that on a LQ4 120000 mile motor.

On a dyno stand at least I can change a cam in an LS motor in about 35 minutes :D. That's about where we got it too. But an hour from a dyno pull is not enough time to let an engine cool to swap em. Burned my hand a touch

Now what really blew me out of the water was the stock motor. Only non stock part we had on it were the injectors ( same 36lb ) and a the same throttle body . Ls2 cam and valve springs. Same tbss intake

That thing made 419 Hp AND 437 lb ft of torque:eek1:

Dyno time is fun even when it's not your motor. And LS motors rock. Loved not having to mess around with gaskets on the cam changes.

Here in a couple months gonna try to have some ported square port heads to see what the big cam will do
 
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I'm loving my 6l swap. Mine isn't even running in closed loop yet and it's still 10x better than my old mild 406 carbed pos.
 
This picture shows the the stock pull. Stock meaning ls2 valve springs. Tbss intake a 92mm throttle and 35 lb injectors. That's in black

In red is all that with some 1.8 rockers and our baby cam. Plus obviously both motors had a good tune. And not a very different tune only a little fatter right in the middle on fuel with the cam. That's the red line

 
Nice, I am surprised to see so much torque down low

The average torque numbers were awesome.

I remember the good ol days when if you hit 1 hp per cubic inch you were the king. Now you can eclipse that with stock parts! Our jaws hit the floor after that stock run.
 
That's it, my 6.2 diesel is going bye bye...:whistle:

I will miss the mileage though....:doah:


going to find a 6.0 this fall.

And I'll be able to afford it 'cuz my Bride got her SS disability approved!:woot:
 
While i have my 6.0 out i am going to research the Z06 cam option...

DW

From what I have heard it isn't all that it's cracked up to be.


Can't wait to get mine on a dyno.. lq4, small cam headers and a air intake.
 
You seriously picked up 110 HP with a cam and springs? What am I missing here? I have a low mileage LQ9 sitting in my garage about to go in my 87 and I have not pulled the trigger on a cam as I didn't think they brought you that much HP and TQ. I would rather keep my TQ good, and so I added long tubes, but that is it.


I have stock 317 heads too. What work other than springs were done to the heads?
 
So fun and very informative weekend for me.

I was up in boise helping a buddy test a couple of his own cam grinds and mess around with a couple other things.

First off they guy with the dyno was super knowledgeable. Been doing it a while and his predictions were pretty much spot on. Really enjoyed talking to him about all sorts of cool stuff.

We also found out that stock 317 /243 heads run out of air before most think they do.

We had a pull where our peak hp and torque was 460 for both. Average torque was 433. This is with a cam way smaller than almost anybody else's torque cam. With the bigger cam, which is still smaller by a decent amount, than most companies torque cams we lost power everywhere. Heads were out of air.

That 460/460 pull was stock cathedral port heads. 1.8 rockers. Cam we call " the baby" LS 2 valve springs, 92 mm throttle body, tbss intake and 36 lb injectors. We figured out you would only need 30 lb/hr injectors though. Oh and a good tune obviously.

All of that on a LQ4 120000 mile motor.

On a dyno stand at least I can change a cam in an LS motor in about 35 minutes :D. That's about where we got it too. But an hour from a dyno pull is not enough time to let an engine cool to swap em. Burned my hand a touch

Now what really blew me out of the water was the stock motor. Only non stock part we had on it were the injectors ( same 36lb ) and a the same throttle body . Ls2 cam and valve springs. Same tbss intake

That thing made 419 Hp AND 437 lb ft of torque:eek1:

Dyno time is fun even when it's not your motor. And LS motors rock. Loved not having to mess around with gaskets on the cam changes.

Here in a couple months gonna try to have some ported square port heads to see what the big cam will do



Hmmmm Josh didnt tell me it was his grind! Maybe I'll be hitting him up when I go to a 408 for the grind too...
 
Ls engines love a cam and heads. That will easily put a lq9 in the 500horse range


I know they do, but it seems that this is just a mild cam and springs and that is it. I presume stock truck manifold, and headers? To get into the 500 range I expect a FAST intake, cam, beehive springs, longtubes, an awesome tune and a port and polish. Even then that seems ambitious.

I am not disputing the numbers the OP put up, but just trying to justify to myself the things I need to throw at my motor before I put it in! :laugh::pimp:

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-0710-6l-ls-series-small-block/
 
Ripped off from LS1tech.com

Car Craft did a real nice cam comparo this month of factory cams in a 5.3 test mule. The 5.3 was stock including the lm7 cam and the Holley EFI. Pretty suprising results.

I think they have the ls6 cam specs incorrect????

lm7 cam 190/191 .466/.457 116lsa
353hp/5200
384tq/4300

ls1 cam (early) 202/210 .496/.496 116lsa
382hp/5500
389tq/4800
-22tq 2500
+31tq/32hp 5500
+45tq/53hp 6200
+51tq/63hp 6500

ls2 cam 204/211 .525/.525 116lsa
403hp/6100
399/4900
-18tq 2500
+46tq/48hp 5500
+67tq/78hp 6200

ls3 cam 204/211 .551/.525 117lsa
405hp/6100
398tq/4900
-21tq 2500
+47tq/49hp 5500
+73tq/91hp 6500


**Appears Car Craft has a misprint here**
ls6 cam 196/207 .479/.467 116lsa
376hp/5900
389tq/4500
-8tq/2500
+23tq/24hp 5500
+32tq/40hp 6500


lq9 cam 196/207 .479/.467 116lsa
376hp/5900
389tq/4500
-8tq/2500
+23tq/24hp 5500
+32tq/40hp 6500

l33 cam 193/193 .479/.479 116
362hp/5300
387tq/4500
-4tq 2500
+9tq/10hp 5500
+12tq/14hp 6200

ls7 cam 211/230 .558/.558 121lsa
422hp/6300
395tq/5000
-40tq 2500
-19tq 3500
+51tq/53hp 5500
+92tq/115hp 6500

1.8 rockers increased HP 10-12

ls9 cam 211/230 .558/.562 122.5lsa
420hp/6200
393tq/5100
-41tq 2500
-20tq 3500
-2tq 4500
+51tq/53hp 5500
+90tq/112hp 6500

lsa cam 198/216 .480/.480 122.5lsa
389hp/5600
394tq/4800
-27tq 2500
-3tq 3500
+8tq 4500
+37tq/38hp 5500
+54tq/68hp 6500

Crane cams

These are interesting b/c they have very nice gains and didnt give up too much down low.

200/200 .502/.502 113lsa
380hp/5400
401tq/4700
no tq change 2500
+14tq 3500
+15tq 4500
+29tq/30hp 5500
+32tq/40hp 6500

210/218 .551/.551 116lsa
411hp/6000
406tq/4700
-10tq 2500
-9tq 3500
+15tq 4500
+55tq/57hp 5500
+80tq/99hp 6500

224/232 .590/.590 115lsa
442hp/6200
412tq/5000
-25tq 2500
-8tq 3500
+16tq 4500
+69tq/72hp 5500
+105/130hp 6500


The ls2/ls3 cams seem to make nice power w/o too much loss down low. The ls7 and ls9 gained big but gave up alot of tq and probably hp down low. Suprised to see the ls1 cam - nice increase and not too much loss either down low.

Close to 100 hp gains with just a cam swap. No head porting, or anything else. This is on the little LM7 5.3...a 6.0 would see bigger gains.
 
Thanks Eric... Now I'm a vendor. :waytogo:

The small gain of 119 HP is just the intake, valve springs, injectors, TB and a **** tune...... The stock cam in the 2003 LQ4 is the same as the LQ9 cam listed above.

The Baby cam was 160HP gain.

The Big Baby was 175hp gain but hit the airflow wall. We have plans for that.

By the way, High All. I'm Josh and these are my cams...
 
I know they do, but it seems that this is just a mild cam and springs and that is it. I presume stock truck manifold, and headers? To get into the 500 range I expect a FAST intake, cam, beehive springs, longtubes, an awesome tune and a port and polish. Even then that seems ambitious.

I am not disputing the numbers the OP put up, but just trying to justify to myself the things I need to throw at my motor before I put it in! :laugh::pimp:

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-0710-6l-ls-series-small-block/

No need for all that $$$ to break a true 500/500. Its easier than you think.
 
You seriously picked up 110 HP with a cam and springs? What am I missing here? I have a low mileage LQ9 sitting in my garage about to go in my 87 and I have not pulled the trigger on a cam as I didn't think they brought you that much HP and TQ. I would rather keep my TQ good, and so I added long tubes, but that is it.


I have stock 317 heads too. What work other than springs were done to the heads?

No and we were on 243 heads. Not 317 this was an LQ4. TBSS intake ( trailblazer ss so a stock intake) 36 lb injectors. LS 2 valve springs. Stock cam. 92mm throttle body.

Our pull with that with the stock cam was 419 Hp and 437 lb ft of torque.

With the baby cam and a switch to 1.8 rockers we made 460 hp and 460 lb ft of torqu
 
No and we were on 243 heads. Not 317 this was an LQ4. TBSS intake ( trailblazer ss so a stock intake) 36 lb injectors. LS 2 valve springs. Stock cam. 92mm throttle body.

Our pull with that with the stock cam was 419 Hp and 437 lb ft of torque.

With the baby cam and a switch to 1.8 rockers we made 460 hp and 460 lb ft of torqu

Eric you are on drugs. We ran stock 317 heads.
 

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