bigred88
1/2 ton status
Just a pic of the breakage. I was anticipating looking it over real closely when I got it out, and thought I had a bad carrier side bearing. Nope, the bearing just broke off the carrier altogether. Time for a truetrac!
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thats funny right there. 
if you look at the broken area is it all 1 color or 1/2 stained and diffrent color than other half ? that would mean fresh break or older 1/2 broken and you were running on barrowed time.
there a nice idea but dont hold up well in the real world of use .
but i still beleve the 14ff is the best if you have to run one.
if you look at the broken area is it all 1 color or 1/2 stained and diffrent color than other half ? that would mean fresh break or older 1/2 broken and you were running on barrowed time.
there a nice idea but dont hold up well in the real world of use .
but i still beleve the 14ff is the best if you have to run one.
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bigred88
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It had definitely been broken for a while. I started getting some loud rear end whine around the start of the year, and kept putting it off. I really just figured a bearing was on the way out. The gear oil in there was practically silver from all the shavings. All that was holding the rear end together was the bearing cap on that side. Luckily the gears look good, and the axle shafts don't show and excess wear, either.
first i would not reuse that housing as you will never get all the silver/ metal stuff out .
but if you have to then wash / wash and wash more . the more you get out the better.
i had a old timer mechanic tell me years ago he wouldnt reuse a axle housing that had been blown up or severe like yours . but if he had to he gave no warrentys on his work .
and those gears might look good till you try and run a pattern on them.
but if you have to then wash / wash and wash more . the more you get out the better.
i had a old timer mechanic tell me years ago he wouldnt reuse a axle housing that had been blown up or severe like yours . but if he had to he gave no warrentys on his work .
and those gears might look good till you try and run a pattern on them.
bigred88
1/2 ton status
Hmm...
well, I've already washed the hell out of it once, and I'll do it again before I put it all back together. I'm not getting anymore silver on the rags, so I think it should be alright. I guess we'll see when it all goes back together. I suppose I don't have to reuse the housing, but it is a dd and I'd like to get it on the road and stop having to get a ride to work from my wife.
As far as the gears, what would be an indicator in the pattern that the gears are no good? Just being unable to get a decent pattern?
well, I've already washed the hell out of it once, and I'll do it again before I put it all back together. I'm not getting anymore silver on the rags, so I think it should be alright. I guess we'll see when it all goes back together. I suppose I don't have to reuse the housing, but it is a dd and I'd like to get it on the road and stop having to get a ride to work from my wife.As far as the gears, what would be an indicator in the pattern that the gears are no good? Just being unable to get a decent pattern?
Hot soapy water works best to remove metal filings...learned the hard way honing cylinders that solvents like gas,kerosene or brake cleaner makes the bore LOOK perfectly clean,but in fact its still loaded with filings....our shop teacher showed us this after cleaning a freshly honed cylinder with petroleum based solvents,then took a soft cloth with soap and hot water and wiped the bore out,and it came out dark grey and loaded with metal...
I'd say a good high pressure wash with a pressure washer or a car wash should remove the metal thouroghly enough to not be of any concern...the old timer may have been correct way back when,but he didn't have pressure washers available then...a magnet on a stick could be run thru the tubes to ensure all metal is out after it dries...
I'd say a good high pressure wash with a pressure washer or a car wash should remove the metal thouroghly enough to not be of any concern...the old timer may have been correct way back when,but he didn't have pressure washers available then...a magnet on a stick could be run thru the tubes to ensure all metal is out after it dries...
the shaving will be all the way to the spindle wont they? Since it's splash lube or something like that. err
bigred88
1/2 ton status
Noted with the hot soapy water. I'd been using brake clean- I'll use some soapy water next.
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Spindle? That carrier looks like a semi-float axle. But yes, everything should be cleaned including the wheel bearings.
Really, since it ran for a while making shavings, probably more damage has already been done than what will happen from reusing the housing after cleaning. The biggest reason not to re-use it is that swapping in another whole axle might be cheaper and easier. At least if you can find one in the right ratio.
Or just weld that side of the carrier back on and run it...
Really, since it ran for a while making shavings, probably more damage has already been done than what will happen from reusing the housing after cleaning. The biggest reason not to re-use it is that swapping in another whole axle might be cheaper and easier. At least if you can find one in the right ratio.
Or just weld that side of the carrier back on and run it...
wasted wages
1 ton status
Steam cleaner..... FTW......
My old Thermo King refer shop had a steam cleaner we used to steam out old units and engine / compressor parts when we rebuilt them..
you could eat off the parts when you cleaned them....
My old Thermo King refer shop had a steam cleaner we used to steam out old units and engine / compressor parts when we rebuilt them..
you could eat off the parts when you cleaned them....
bigred88
1/2 ton status
Yeah, I'm an idiot and read pinion when I saw spindle, then proceded to write spindle when I meant pinion.
New pinion bearings, new carrier bearings, new axle bearings- redoing the whole thing. Only things I'll be reusing are the housing, the axles, and the gears.
Those gears are junk. I guarantee it. It's obvious now that it wasn't a bearing making the noise. The noise was coming from the gears. All that silvery stuff that came out was from the gears.
When a pinion gear turns against a ring gear there is a certain amount of deflection. In your case, because the bearing support was sheared right off, there was a lot of deflection. That caused the ring and pinion gears to mesh in a manner they were never meant to see.
Replace the gears or, best case, you will get noise and premature wear. Worst case, sheared teeth. Both of which will ruin your true track and new bearings either from metal shavings or chunks of teeth. You are wasting time, money and effort by not replacing the gears.
I would use the housing a with a proper cleaning and a chunk of magnet stuck to the bottom of the inside to catch any more metal shavings. Or, cheap solution, swap in another axle with matching gears. Or, upgrade solution, swap in a larger axle.
When a pinion gear turns against a ring gear there is a certain amount of deflection. In your case, because the bearing support was sheared right off, there was a lot of deflection. That caused the ring and pinion gears to mesh in a manner they were never meant to see.
Replace the gears or, best case, you will get noise and premature wear. Worst case, sheared teeth. Both of which will ruin your true track and new bearings either from metal shavings or chunks of teeth. You are wasting time, money and effort by not replacing the gears.
I would use the housing a with a proper cleaning and a chunk of magnet stuck to the bottom of the inside to catch any more metal shavings. Or, cheap solution, swap in another axle with matching gears. Or, upgrade solution, swap in a larger axle.
Brian_D
1/2 ton status
Steam cleaner..... FTW......
My old Thermo King refer shop had a steam cleaner we used to steam out old units and engine / compressor parts when we rebuilt them..
you could eat off the parts when you cleaned them....
me want
bigred88
1/2 ton status
Fair enough, you've got me convinced. I was trying to be a cheap ass and reuse them, but had been rethinking that idea more. I know how cheaping out can cost more in the long run. I'll take your advice that this is now one of those situations.
bigred88
1/2 ton status
Got it finished up yesterday- new gears (Yukon), True Trac carrier, new bearings all around, new wheel bearings, new wheel cylinders (one was leaking), new u bolts, and new leaf spring center pins. Drove it to work today, and it worked! I figure any issues would have shown up during that drive, so I think I'm ok, just gotta retorque the u bolts in a few days. Thanks for everyone's help, I wouldn't have been able to get it all done without you guys! It's a pretty good feeling to tackle a rear end for the first time and get it all together and working again.
bigred88
1/2 ton status
I took plenty, I'll get them up later.
