Guaranteed Fuel Savings Or Your Money Back!

[Metrodps]

OK I talked to the PR manager at Power Research Inc. (a.k.a PRI) about their PRI-G which is an additive for gasoline. I wanted to get some more information on it and do more research too. I wondered what some of our gear heads thought?

Save Fuel With PRI- Guaranteed!​

It's true! With PRI-D for diesel or PRI-G for gasoline, you will achieve the same fuel savings experienced by our industrial clients! Documented, long-term fleet field studies of PRI application on hundreds of vehicles confirm an average fuel economy improvement of 8.8 percent, with individual savings ranging from 5-to-15 percent and more! Even on the cleanest, laboratory engine, burning the USA's cleanest California Air Resources Board mandated fuel, results of the CARB-EPA 13 mode emissions test confirm afuel economy improvement of 4.7%.​

How? First,the unique thermal stability capabilities of PRI produce more energy value per unit of fuel. Secondly, PRIkeeps engines and fuel systems cleaner - operating closer to the original design specification. Fuel injectors provide optimum spray patterns. Fuel delivery systems remain deposit-free. Your engine runs better than ever.​

Q: If PRI chemistry is so effective, why don't refiners put it into their fuel at the pump?
A: Refiners do put very small amounts of additives into fuel. However, gasoline marketing is highly competitive and refiners make every effort to offer fuel at the least cost. The addition of additives at their most effective dosage rates would result in higher prices - and petroleum marketers would risk losing market share.

http://www.priproducts.com/default.htm

Here is a combination of what I found out. How does it sound to you gear heads?

Top Tier requires more and better additives in all grades of fuel to reduce fuel-related deposits in engines.

Retailers selling Top Tier gasoline include Chevron, Conoco, Entac, MFA, Phillips, Shell, Quik Trip and Union 76.

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Top Tier Gasoline Fuel Additive is a concentrated multifunctional gasoline detergent additive that specially formulated for use in all types of gasoline to provide “Top Tier Performance Characteristics”. Top Tier Gasoline Fuel Additive when used at the recommended treatment ratio this unique provides the following premium performance benefits.​

1. Clean up and keep clean performance to restore performance and maintain new
performance.
2. Improved Carburetor Chamber Deposit control (CCD),
3. Improved Port Fuel Injector (PFI) deposit control and clean-up
4. Improved engine induction system deposit control and clean-up
5. Improved Intake Valve Deposit (IVD) deposit control and clean-up .
6. Modification of existing injector deposits, allowing for their removal and safe passage into the combustion chamber where they can be burned.
7. Superb piston deposit control to reduce the risk of engine seizure.
8. Increased engine performance.
9. Smoother idling.
10. Improved vehicle performance and responsiveness.
11. Improved drivability.
12. Excellent corrosion protection.
13. Better –than-New Fuel Economy. Not a restoration due to cleanliness.
14. Up to 2% improvement in fuel economy on new vehicles and up to 5% on older vehicles.
15. Fuel economy improvements with continued use.
16. Reduced emissions and particulates.​

17. . Complete compatibility with engine and fuel system component materials.

 

[4by4bygod]

Well, the way the marketing focuses on deposit control, and talks about top tier gasoline, that tells me it's designed to be a fuel system cleaner. And that will get a bit of a mileage gain in and of itself.

I'm guessing ( by the price ) that it's a typical product that is a solvent (napthalene, ketones, etc) and / or alcohol mixed with kerosene. The kerosene bonds with the fuel so the alcohol and solvents can travel around and clean out the crud. This is how most of your "fuel stabilizers" work .. the fuel is still gumming up, it's just that the alcohol dissolves everything before the fuel stops flowing.

alcohol isn't the best thing for a fuel system.

I'd like to see an MSDS sheet, but they don't seem willing to post one for the world to see.

 

[Clod_King]

I'd like to see an MSDS sheet, but they don't seem willing to post one for the world to see.

I'd actually like to see one aswell.

 

[Thunder]

If you want to try some stuff that truly does help your engine run more efficiently. Order some of Toms (4x4bygod) Fuel treatment. I tried it. I like it. Good stuff.

BTW Tom the link in your sig does not work anymore.

 

[Metrodps]

Well, the way the marketing focuses on deposit control, and talks about top tier gasoline, that tells me it's designed to be a fuel system cleaner. And that will get a bit of a mileage gain in and of itself.

I'm guessing ( by the price ) that it's a typical product that is a solvent (napthalene, ketones, etc) and / or alcohol mixed with kerosene. The kerosene bonds with the fuel so the alcohol and solvents can travel around and clean out the crud. This is how most of your "fuel stabilizers" work .. the fuel is still gumming up, it's just that the alcohol dissolves everything before the fuel stops flowing.

alcohol isn't the best thing for a fuel system.

I'd like to see an MSDS sheet, but they don't seem willing to post one for the world to see.

PRI-G contains no harsh alcohol components and is completely safe to use in all engine types.

http://www.priproducts.com/ also read the test data

 

[4by4bygod]

PRI-G contains no harsh alcohol components and is completely safe to use in all engine types.

http://www.priproducts.com/ also read the test data

Well, as I said, until I see an MSDS, I'm guessing..so if it's not alcohol, there are many other cheap solvents out there that work the same way.

true fuel stabilizers have metal deactivators that prevent the copper and vanadium ( metals in the fuel) from dropping out and forming gum and varnish. These are pricey.. so are "top tier" detergents.. the cheap way out is to load up the product with solvents and have nice day.

What puzzles me are the NOx reductions - alcohol will give you those, due to lower combustion temps - but if they say there's no alcohol in it, so be it.. that would leave maganese or other metallics as a method to reduce Nox. that would limit their marketing opportunities, as companies are screening out additives that have metals, as they don't want to contaminate waste streams,groundwater, and exhaust streams. worker health is a big deal nowadays.

their MSHA anecdote about NOx reductions undeground is interesting.. normally, mine engineers only care about particulates down there. see, one reason the clean air folks don't take additives seriously is because they always find that if they lower NOx, they raise PM's..or the reverse. I would like to see the organic carbon numbers from that test - I bet they went up..if they went down, you bet your life we'd hear about it.

here's the shell game - some additive companies measure opacity, and then claim they reduce all PM's.. not true..opacity only measures the PM you can see coming out of the pipe.. if you are in an area that only mandates opacity measurements to insure opacity limits, fine - but in an area like an underground mine where they have to measure for all forms of PM ( organic, inorganic, hydrocarbons IE: the deadly stuff you can't see) the opacity tests become irrelevant to the situation at hand.

it's not just additive companies that do this - the biodiesel folks play the same shell game - they lower one form of PM, and then "poof", they claim to be the be all end all.. when in fact, biodiesel raises the worst form of PM - the organic carbon fraction - what makes it more fun is that the numbers and composition of PM changes depending on duty cycle, base fuel, and engine tune. It's like nailing jello to a wall, so everyone just picks the best numbers and goes from there.

Interesting that the hydrocarbon emission reduction is almost non existent..that would be a function of the petroleum vehicle used to carry the ingredients along..the stuff has to go somewhere when it combusts.

It looks to me like a better fuel system cleaner than anything else. sort of like techron. again, you may get a few MPG's out of it - if that's all you want, great. Not saying it doesn't do anything, my position would be that it doesn't do everything it needs to, for me to be impressed by it.

 

[Metrodps]

It looks to me like a better fuel system cleaner than anything else. sort of like techron. again, you may get a few MPG's out of it - if that's all you want, great. Not saying it doesn't do anything, my position would be that it doesn't do everything it needs to, for me to be impressed by it.

What I want and need as most is some thing to get me more MPG and not mess up my motor. This is what gets my attention
"GUARANTEED FUEL SAVINGS OR YOUR MONEY BACK!

That's right. If you are not completely satisfied with the performance of PRI-G for gasoline or PRI-D for diesel, we will cheerfully refund your purchase - no questions asked ".​

Does your product offer me that? I am going to be using this on a 30 day on the road real life cross country test of over 6,000 miles. It will be highway, off road, flat land and mountian driving. All of the so called milage boosters fail to meet the M.B.G.

 

[4by4bygod]

What I want and need as most is some thing to get me more MPG and not mess up my motor. This is what gets my attention
"GUARANTEED FUEL SAVINGS OR YOUR MONEY BACK!

That's right. If you are not completely satisfied with the performance of PRI-G for gasoline or PRI-D for diesel, we will cheerfully refund your purchase - no questions asked ".​

Does your product offer me that? I am going to be using this on a 30 day on the road real life cross country test of over 6,000 miles. It will be highway, off road, flat land and mountian driving. All of the so called milage boosters fail to meet the M.B.G.

Metro - knock yourself out, bro - you asked for opinions and thoughts, and I gave you mine..fuels and additives are my world, so I have lots to say, covering a lot of different angles.

If the money back guarantee is the selling point for you, and it removes the perceived element of risk in your purchase, that's what you need to be buying and trying.

No, I do not offer a money back guarantee pertaining to mileage.. why? because I have no idea when you'll get it or how much you'll see. a mileage gain is actually a happy byproduct of everything else we do.

Mileage varies because we don't know how long it will take to clean out the combustion chambers, how well the engine is maintained, if it's dosed properly, driving conditions, duty cycle, all of these things we can't control.

besides, we're not just about fuel mileage.

Anyway, didn't mean to rub ya the wrong way. stay safe on your trip.

 

[Metrodps]

No you didn't rub me wrong please don't think that. I was enlightened by what you wrote and it was educational. I learned there were other issues beyond what I was considering. My main thought cycle was how do I stretch a few more mpg.

I am glad you responded. I tried to search your quantum blue but found nothing on internet. I then tried Tx7 which I saw in another thread some where.

 

[K5dreamer]

hmm..... basically its a fuel system, intake, injector cleaner like everyone said already. did them at the dealership all the time and people would ask what made their fuel mileage go up. the thing here, is that its not giving you extra fuel mileage out of nowhere. basically your engine is dirty, and running poorly, kinda like having a clogged air filter, and just like a clogged air filter, the effect is a loss of fuel mileage. these fuel treatments are like putting a new air filter on the truck. it simply restores your lost fuel mileage by cleaning up the engine and letting it run better.

really, if you want a boost of a few mpg, and a few other benifits, like cripser throttle responce and a few extra ponies, invest in a high power aftermarket capasitive discharge ignition system, and high voltage coil. this will actually increase mileage over stock, because of a better, more complete burn. better for the environment too, less HC's blowing out the tailpipe

theres other things too, that involve tearing the engine apart, and the little things like making sure your tire pressure is where its supposed to be, or a little high. i run my tires at 40psi when im not on the trail. i found it picked up 1 mpg when i crunched the numbers.

 

[dyeager535]

Make sure the engine is in good tune, and make sure your driving habits are conducive to good mileage. Use cruise if you've got it. Speed is where you lose a lot of MPG, as is stop and go driving instead of anticipating traffic.

Slow down, drive smart, your mileage will go up, if you don't already drive that way. For most people driving these vehicles, +2MPG would be about a 15% fuel economy improvement, which is probably more than you'll see with anything else.