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H2 Can't Hack It

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ok,what tops the H1 in stock form,for a civilian non-heavy duty vehicle?

[/ QUOTE ] the jeep rubicon, D44s f/r, lockers f/r, 31" MTRs and 4.0:1 low range, off the show room floor.
 
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thats a good vehicle for sure.but...it cant handle deep water crossings,it has very little ground clearance,departure and approach angles arent nearly as good,turbo diesel torque,central tire inflation,the list goes on.its not even a competition.
 
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I don't know how much time you have spent driving a Hummer. I have driven them all that I care to, and that wasn't very far. In a wide open desert enviorment they were OK. On a normal road they are too wide. I would hate to make my way through downtown rush hour trafic in one. On the trail, well I and a lot of others bitch about how wide the K5 is, the H1 is worse. The HMMWV are less comfortable than the CUCVs (M1008 or M1009). I'd rather have an M880 (Dodge P/U) if I wasn't looking for the *bling* factor. They do not articulate, IFS and IRS.

These are my observations from driving and riding in them, others may feel diferently. In extreem snow, I could see them being an asset if the area was open enough to keep them level. As far as Civilian issue, the ones I drove and rode in were not, so I will not limit my self to that. Remember most Mil-Spec gear ends up at an auction eventually. There is a place that imports and sells 'Mogs about an hour away from my house. I will stick w/ street legal and I will even include "street comfortable" in my answers.

Totally bone stock, down to the tires: Jeep Rubicon; good tires- MT/R, gears- 4.10:1 axle & 4:1 case, axles- F&R D44 w/ lockers, brakes- 4 wheel disc, comfortable seats, coil springs, and a CD player.
Next would be a Tacoma TRD: Only gives up an IFS front (more comfort, though), tires-BFG A/Ts, still a good tire, and the front locker, Toy only locks the rear.
If you are willing to buy tires for a new truck then the M/B G-wagon would kick ass. In Euorpe you can get a non-luxo version, but the one sold here is still great.
The Land Rover D90 & D110: neither is sold in the US anymore but maybe in Canada??? Alum V-8 and an Alum body to keep weight down should ease your fear of lack of power.

Those are my choices for new. For old stuff #1 is the K5 of course, lots of choices over the years, from a stripped down '73 to a loaded '91, and don't forget the 1st gens.
An '85 4-Runner would be my second choice-think K5 light.
In no particular order: FJ-40, CJ-6, EB, '78-79 Bronco, XJ, and probably some others. Yes, they have problems some years more than others.

Remember the HMMWV was built to be the opisit of the M151 MUTT. It is very hard for 19 yr olds to roll it over, while the MUTT was tiny and unstable. Of course these are only my opinions, but I just don't think the H1 is the top of the heep when it comes to 4X4s. If I had to choose, I'd take something else.
 
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1. REPOST
2. They are $46,000 or a couple grand more than a loaded 'burb (which does not come stock w/ 35s)
3. If you have wheeled w/ any IFS GM this vid is no supprise.
4. "H-1,which is surely the most capeable 4x4 ever from a dealership lot,all things considered." You can't be serious /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif


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ok,what tops the H1 in stock form,for a civilian non-heavy duty vehicle?

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I guess you didn't bother to read my response to CannmoreK5. If you answer my "?" to him I'll cut and paste my 2nd reply, or you can just read the thing! Now you see why I didn't want to type it again. I had more to say, but I need to go to work now. BTW, how much time you got behind the wheel of a Hummer?
 
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ok,what tops the H1 in stock form,for a civilian non-heavy duty vehicle?

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Volkswagen Touareg, Kia Sportage, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Rubicon, Tacoma w/TRD package, Suzuki Samurai (or SJ410, only sold in foreign countries), ALL Australian Toyotas. And all of these are available under $45K
 
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ok,what tops the H1 in stock form,for a civilian non-heavy duty vehicle?

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Volkswagen Touareg, Kia Sportage, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Rubicon, Tacoma w/TRD package, Suzuki Samurai (or SJ410, only sold in foreign countries), ALL Australian Toyotas. And all of these are available under $45K


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are you serious?
 
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Thanks for your comprehensive reply, but

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Alum V-8 and an Alum body to keep weight down should ease your fear of lack of power.

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no need to be a smartass. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
 
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are you serious?

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Quite.

All of these vehicles I mentioned will give you a pretty good bang for your buck. If they won't, use the money you could have spent on an H1 and put it into any of these, then go run circles around it.

I would take an Australian Toyota over ANY vehicle ever offered.
 
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You can put less than $5K into your truck and take it places a H1 could only dream of going...

$5k into a Hummer gets you a CD player and a full tank of fuel...

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Don't forget to add Air Bags, OBDII certification (including F/I, Converters, Evap sys, PCM, ect...), EPA standereds and extensive rengineering to meet federal crash standereds.
Lets not forget about inflation.

Figure a stock K5, meeting todays standereds - would probably set a guy back 30K or more. (think Jeep)
And that would get you a a no-frills package. Then, toss in A/C (R-134A), Auto trans and up-grade the engine.
It would get you closer to the H2 price, but it still wouldn't be even close to the same market.

It's a ever-changing world.
Even Jeep has come out with IFS
 
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I would have to say the Jeep is more capable than an H1 aswell. But then that probly dosnt matter coming from me becouse i hardly like driving full sized trucks. Thier too big for me even /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif
but i still dont think i would give up my luv, its gets around too well, on and off the road.
 
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ok,what tops the H1 in stock form,for a civilian non-heavy duty vehicle?

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Volkswagen Touareg, Kia Sportage, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Rubicon, Tacoma w/TRD package, Suzuki Samurai (or SJ410, only sold in foreign countries), ALL Australian Toyotas. And all of these are available under $45K


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You have to be kidding, a sportage? I have had personal experience with on and it is a top heavy, underpowered rattle trap that could get hung up on a speedbump. Nonono the sportage does not belong on a list with jeeps and toys.

Also for those of you saying that to compare the cost of a modded K5 with an H1 to add in obd, emissions and what not. The H1 was diesel and to my knoweledge diesels do not need emissions equipment. Dollar for dollar I could build a couple K5s from scratch that are totally emissions legal with fuel injection, 3/4 ton gears, lockers, and a dvd entertainment system for the cost of a hummer or H2. And the K5s would be more versatile.
 
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it's all in the tires man. i've wheeled one as well and it did everything i asked it to. given i wouldn't take it to tellico, but it held it's own very well.
 
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I'm sorry, but the Grand Cherokee and anything else that doesn't have a frame needs to be ripped from that list. I think it's absolutely absurd that you say anything that doesn't even have a frame be compared to the H1.
 
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Why? Does having a frame make it wheel better? /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

I've seen some killer 'frameless' XJ's out there...

Rene
 
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This ain't directed at you Rene, just the whole crowd in general.......

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Canmore, how was I being a smartass? You said "The only Land Rovers I'm familiar with are the old 4-banger jobbies that look like they're from WW2. Extremely low gearing but not enough jam in the engine to pull itself over any terrain that's too extreme. Also not a good highway vehicle." So I mentioned the Alum body and V-8. You added the bold lettering, not me. Anyway, you ask for my opinion and you got it. Don't ask for my input if you don't want it.
As long as I'm typing I'll add another to great if you add tires-Grand Cherokee Overland.
 
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I'd say to all that are talking trash about the H2, how many of ya have seen it performing?

Don't knock it until ya actually see it in action.......... /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
 
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Remember the HMMWV was built to be the opisit of the M151 MUTT. It is very hard for 19 yr olds to roll it over, while the MUTT was tiny and unstable.

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Hate to tell you, but here in the Marine Corps, 18-21yr olds manage to roll a HMMWV at least once every 2 weeks. Some just hurt the HMMWV, some hurt themselves and others, some die. Thay's why the Corps mandated that ALL tactical vehicle drivers and passengers wear Kevlar and flak jacket in the vehicles, trying to protect them a bit.
 
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I agree H1's are not all there cracked up to be. the gear reduction hubs are prone to failure there uncomfortable , they take a 40acre field to turn around and there under powered a CUCV 1008 with the same tires as a hummer would be far superior (and cheaper
 

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