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Ice driving tips.

Steady inputs to steering, brakes and throttle. Mine has 35's and is unlocked too. Being unlocked is good in this case.

running in 4hi on the slick stuff is mt preference. It keeps the front pulling and limits the rear end from coming around on turns. For mine it helps the steering as mine wants to push like crazy in 2wd on the slick stuff.

Don't get me wrong, if you hammer the throttle in 4hi you can still get into trouble. Take it easy and give everybody pleanty of room in front of you for stopping distance. And as others have said, you can get going faster with the 4wd, it won't make it stop any faster. Mine's got a 4 speed so I let it coast in 2 gear as long as I can to slow down before touching the brakes.
 
Go slow and easy like you did, and remember those mud terrains aren't worth a crap on ice. They might still have some siping to them, but in general they don't have very many 'biting' surfaces to grip the slick stuff....
 
Well I made it home without an issue. I locked the hubs and drove in 2wd. A few times I clicked it in to make turns and to go up hills. The K5 did fine. My baby never stops inpressing me.
 
hunterguy86 said:
I had to go to work today or else I would be going exactly nowhere.

I meant city and state. ;)

I can't imagine they have ice and snow in San Marcos, Texas.
 
goldwing2000 said:
I meant city and state. ;)

I can't imagine they have ice and snow in San Marcos, Texas.

Shore enough we got ice and sleet here in San Marcos. San Marcos is in the hill country. If you look on a map we are in btween Austin and San Antonio.
 
like someone else said.. def. go into a big empty lot.. away from the cops view and spin out.. and stop.. try to turn at speed.. see hwo ur truck reacts. Just dont over do it.. u can still roll.
 
hunterguy86 said:
I have a k5 on 35's with open diffs.

Give me all the tips you northern folks got because I have no real expirence with driving on ice.

I know go slow and no abrubt turns and allow a lot of time to brake. I figure pumping them is best so as to not lock them up.

Will 4wd help much?

Will I screw up my truck by runnin in 4 hi on the street?

Thanks for the advice yall.

Do not do like these people.
http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=209298
 
Dang that must be slick there!

I don't think it really matters how much driving experience you have, you're gonna loose control if a stopped vehicle can start sliding sideways on a nearly flat peice of road...

I don't really know what the first person was thinking... Aim towards a curb, and get yourself stopped ASAP, then just leave it there!
 
SierraClassic said:
Dang that must be slick there!

I don't think it really matters how much driving experience you have, you're gonna loose control if a stopped vehicle can start sliding sideways on a nearly flat peice of road...

I don't really know what the first person was thinking... Aim towards a curb, and get yourself stopped ASAP, then just leave it there!

That is the same greasy sh!t we get here when it snows. Right at or slightly colder than freezing and it turns to ice even just walking on it. Really, the fault lies with city works crews not doing their job IMO. Around here if there is even a chance of snow they're out before it starts spreading salt/sand on the bad hills. OTOH, I'm sure Portland doesn't have much of a budget or equipment for snow removal...let alone a plan.

Rene
 
It sounds like it's too late for this advice, but you can also "sipe" your tires...

Siping is adding small, 1/8" deep slices into the treadblocks to allow them to grip better in ice and snow. Some winter tires have them molded in...you can do the same thing yourself...and some tire shops actually have a machine that can sipe tires.
 
What I do...

If we get an ice storm,this is what I do...

#1..STAY HOME!..Don't go out unless you HAVE too!...too many people out during the peak of the storm = ACCIDENTS!..plus the road crews cant treat the roads if a zillion cars are on the roads..people with 4x4 SUV's are the most dangerous ones to watch out for..they think its OK to yap on the phone and sip coffee,and go 40 mph,their SUV is invincible,and knows how to handle bad roads,even if they DONT!...

2. If you need to go out in the worst of it,use CHAINS on your tires..might not ever need them again in Texas,but they WILL make stopping and going on glare ice MUCH easier!..studded tires are a plus too on ice,but can actually reduce traction on some other conditions like slushy snow..

3. Forget your truck even HAS brakes!..many times a crash is caused by stepping on the brakes!..act like your truck's brake lines all popped,and has NO brakes!..use the steering and gentle application of throttle to avoid a crash,not the brakes..and when using the brakes to stop completely,use a feather light foot on the pedal..skidding wheels wont steer a vehicle,or stop one either..many times if feels like the vehicle speeds up when you lock the wheels,in some cases it WILL!..

4. If all seems lost,and you are about to crash,always try to hit something OTHER than another vehicle!--aim for the ditch,a tree,anything but an oncoming vehicle!..two vehicles going 30 mph in a head on crash get the same if not worse impact as a 60 mph crash into a immoveable object!...dont drive off a cliff though!..if nothing else,at least your truck will be less damaged,and there will be less claims for your insurance agent to handle..

5. Yes,shift your automatic into neutral when coming to a stop or slowing down--especially if the motor is still on fast idle after a cold start!..it'll push you right thru an intersection with the front tires locked up!..

6.CLEAN ALL the ice and snow off your windows BEFORE moving the truck!.."
"I didn't see you" is no excuse for a crash!..and cops WILL write you up for "obstructed vision" here..gives them a good excuse to look for other violations while your "pulled over" too..

7. SPEED is very important!!..anything over 15-20 mph on ice or snow is ASKING for trouble!..sure you can GO fast,I raced on icy lakes at 70 mph for many years--but try and STOP at speeds over 20,and you'll be in deep doo-doo!..4wd does NOT make it stop better,but can aid in steering it where you want it to go,with a bit of throttle..you need to practice driving under conditions like these to get good at it..and those skills are quickly forgotten,as any body shop will attest too,after the first significant snowstorm!...

8. If your heading out into a bad storm,bringing a shovel,a bag of sand or cat litter,FOOD,WATER,and even a gallon or two of gas isn't a bad idea..I spent a day and a half in my truck once,stuck in a snowbank on a lonely road ,when I slid off the road into a deep drift,and I couldn't free it without a winch..I carry one with me now!..even a dinky 1500 lb one ,or a come-a-long will save your life in times like that..BRING THEM WITH YOU!..:crazy:
 
diesel4me said:
2. If you need to go out in the worst of it,use CHAINS on your tires..might not ever need them again in Texas,but they WILL make stopping and going on glare ice MUCH easier!..studded tires are a plus too on ice,but can actually reduce traction on some other conditions like slushy snow..

Make sure chains and/or studs are legal in your area. Neither is legal on MI roads.
 
we've had quite a bit of ice/sleet/snow here, in DFW, in the last few days. ice monday, and just a ton of slush, today. people don't respect the slush. while it's not as slick as ice, it piles unevenly and can make steering unpredictable, and yes, a vehicle can easily still slip on it. i've lived in texas my whole life, but have done a lot of driving in colorado, so this doesn't faze me. i drove the 30 miles to work, this morning, in 2wd, with crashed cherokees and explorers all over the sides of the highways.

*of course, drive slowly, and leave lots of following distance.
*never hit any pedal hard (unless you're doing it for fun, like me :saweet: )

*thank the general for building the usual understeer of large trucks into our beasts. overcorrecting for a skid is a quick way to end up backwards in the oncoming traffic lane. understeer makes overcorrection much easier to avoid.

*IMO, 4wd is good...when you're on ice. for today's slush, i didn't use it. with so much pavement sticking out, i would be wasting gas and adding extra strain to the drivetrain, and make steering pitiful.

*most importantly...STAY COOL and don't overthink it. just drive.
 
Whaaat!!! ??????

goldwing2000 said:
Make sure chains and/or studs are legal in your area. Neither is legal on MI roads.

Thats retarted!!:screwy: :screwy: ..one of the snowiest states,and they BAN chains and studded tires????...WTF!!:eek1:...

..do they let you have a heater in your vehicle too??...or is that tabboo too??....:rolleyes: ...

I realize both chains and studded tires DO chew up the roads some--but for the sake of safety,I think they should be mandatory,not illegal!..I'd say Semi trucks and SALT ruin roads more than we ever could using studded tires or chains...I bet police and fire vehicles use them too!..

Here we can use chains if needed,or studded tires from Oct.1st to April 1'st--last time I checked anyway...I sincerely doubt you'd get a ticket for having them during a storm outside those months here too..only once many years ago,did a state trooper warn me when I had a flat one summer day I couldn't use the studded snow tire I had for a spare legally,but then said "change it as soon as you can",and drove off!..

One thing I failed to mention in my last post is TIRES!...they should be good for snow,and have deep tread...my trucks rear tires resemble drag slicks!:doah: ..guess I'll have to change them SOON!...big "monster" tires SUCK in snow in my opinion,I use stock height skinny tires ,and can plow deep snow the "Bigfoot" trucks just sit and spin on, and go sideways ,with their big tires..:crazy:
 
all you have to remember is.. listen close now.. FLOOR IT EVERYWHERE! put it in 4 hi, point the wheels in the right direction and get after it!:D :haha:

this weather is crazy right? they cancelled school yesterday and today. my brother sent me pictures of the snow up there. its just a bunch of ice here. well have fun. be safe. im kindof nervous to drive around in this without my truck.. just have the ghetto sled. youll be fine. just dont drive if you dont have to.
 
blazeonchevy said:
all you have to remember is.. listen close now.. FLOOR IT EVERYWHERE! put it in 4 hi, point the wheels in the right direction and get after it!:D :haha:

this weather is crazy right? they cancelled school yesterday and today. my brother sent me pictures of the snow up there. its just a bunch of ice here. well have fun. be safe. im kindof nervous to drive around in this without my truck.. just have the ghetto sled. youll be fine. just dont drive if you dont have to.

Ya bud its been pretty bad. Its all melting off now though so its getting safer to drive. The ice is gone off the roads now, its just really wet. I think it may freeze again tonight though.

When you gonna get pics of them tires up mang?
 
We live on top of a mountain on a road that never gets salted in the winter (because it's dirt) and often gets drifted in an hour after plowed. Normal winter here in central New York, a 2WD will rarely make up our hill and - for those coming down - often skid off into the woods. This morning it was 11 below zero and solid ice - which is typical. Up to a few years ago, the road was listed as "seasonal" and closed to the general public every winter. I plowed a path for our own use and preferred it that way. My point is - my wife and I drive often in the worst ice and snow conditions your likely to see on a public road. Also, for years I was an "on-the-road" mechanic for a John Deere forestry equipment dealer and my first truck was an IH Scout with 4WD and a posi-rear. It was a littlr death-trap - but I got into some amazing places and situations with it. Most of our service calls were in the deep woods or someones field.
For the worst weather - when the road is snow covered and glazed with ice - I always do better in one of our Subaru 4WD wagons than any full-size Chevy ever will. The biggest problem is not coming up the hill - it's going down. The Subarus will usually stop - no matter what and no matter what kind of tires they have on them. The Chevy or Ford trucks? I've got three Chevy K5 Blazer diesel plow trucks so I have to take them out. #1 - I wouldn't consider ever trying to winter-drive with oversize tires like you've got. They are too wide and have too much flotation. Stock narrow 235/75-15" tire do much better on snow and ice. I use the big tires in the summer only. All my Chevys -when I try to use the brakes - lock up in front and want to send me off the road - when on ice ( I don't have anti-lock brakes). So, when things are bad - I always put the truck into 4WD low-range, and hardly use the brakes coming down. But, if I do - being locked in 4WD helps equalize the braking to all four-wheels and stops the fronts from locking. Even coming down the hill this way, if the truck starts to slide - usually the remedy is to speed up a little - not try to slow down. This gives the sliding tires to catch up with the "skidding" ground speed and take hold again. When on the flat roads - I don't like driving in 4WD - it gives a false sense of security - that is - until you try to stop.
With my Blazers and Ford F250 trucks, I've tried studded snows, but found many tires advertised as "studless" work better. But, they don't last long. The special soft compound they use is thin and usually wears off in one season. I also use tire-chains. In fact, there have been many times I could not get down my hill in a Blazer or pickup truck without them. Sometimes it gets bad enough - that even if I'm locked in 4WD low-range - it just starts sliding down the hill anyway - to the point I HAVE to give it gas just to straighten out and get some steering back. I have one Blazer with chains on all four wheels and another with chains just on back. They are murder to drive once you get on a clear road though -j ust good for short or deep-snow trips.
One other thing I'll mention - locking differentials. In my opinion - they are dangerous in icy conditions. I've had a few and hate them. They WILL help get you going on a straight flat road if you're careful. But - usually they send power to the only wheel with good traction - and sometimes that one wheel was your "rudder" that was keeping you from sliding off the road sideways. Once it breaks loose - it often sends you sliding every direction except the one you want to travel in.
I'm not offering any of this as "advice", just my personal experience.
 
****DEEP BREATH****** (this is going to be long and painfull):D

I taught winter driving skills for about 9 years. I also taught performance driving. I have also ice raced my Jeep for about 12 years.


There has been some good advice in this thread, but there has also been some 1/2 good advice and some stuff that will get you killed. The winter class I taught was 1-2 days long depending on which course you took. So I will try to just point out a few things here.

You need to understand one basic premis for this. Traction. Your truck has "100 units" of traction. You can use all 100 anyway you want but not more. If you try to use 101 units the truck will slide. The fastest most efficient way to do anything in a car is to ONLY do that one thing. Use ALL 100 units for braking OR use ALL 100 units for turning. (Or ALL for accelerating). You can combine the actions but you reduce the efficiency of each. (Use 60 to brake, 40 to turn etc)


1) Pumping the brakes! This is a perfect example of the "grapevine" effect. One person telling another person telling another until it comes out completly wrong and mis-understood. It was originally taught as "threshold braking". In VERY short terms. Brake with all available traction All 100 units. The threshold is the point where the tires start to slide. Once you reach that point you want to release just enough pressure on the brakes to allow the tires to roll again(back down to below 100 units). Once they are rolling you can give some more pressure to make sure you are at that maximum braking point(if you released to 85 units give a touch more to nudge back up to 100). The amount of pressure you release could be equal to just relaxing a toe, NOT releasing the brakes. Why would you ever want to stop braking if you are trying to stop? This whole process of pressing, easing up, adjusting the pressure on the brakes has through the grapevine turned into "stomp, release, stomp....or pumping the brakes"

For maximum braking you CAN NOT turn the steering wheel. This will request more from the tires. If you need to turn quickly TAKE YOUR FOOT OFF THE BRAKES!!! This will free up all 100 units of traction to be used for steering giving you the best steering response.

"Anti-lock brakes" were never designed to stop a car in a shorter distance. They were designed to give a driver some units of traction to steer the car with. Many people would lock up the brakes. (use more than 100 units of traction) and then expect the car to turn. (0 unit left to make the car turn). ABS senses that you have locked up the brakes and the system releases brake pressure to give some traction units back for steering. (for this converstation let's say it give you 15units back) That quickly builds back up since you have your foot planted on the brake pedal. So the system releases pressure again. This is the sensation you feel in the pedal. You build up the pressure and the system releases it. Since it releases it to a point below the max braking point (threshold) In most cases you can still stop an ABS equiped car in a shorter distance by threshold braking. (braking as hard as you can without the ABS coming on).

We did this on a skidpad at 20 mph. From 20 you can consistantly stop a car with threshold braking 2-3 car lengths shorter than ABS and 4-5 lenghts shorter than just pounding the brake and sliding.

*****Deep Breath Again.....ready for more?******


"Turning into the skid"......IS WRONG!!!!


Okay, now that I have you fired up. The act of "turning into the skid" only works about 60% of the time. You may indeed turn into it in some cases but there is a MUCH better way to think about it.

First you need to know WHY skid and spin recovery work. (yes, they are different). If you try to push a car sideways you encounter lots of friction. Tires were not meant to go that way. If you try to push a car the direction the tires roll, it works pretty easy.

Here is how a skid recovery works.

Imagine driving down a perfectly straight level road. The car starts to slide. This means that the tires are now dragging some degree of sideways down the road. By turning the tires the direction you want to go. (in this case down the road, and yes into the skid) you are letting the front tires roll the direction of the road while the back tires are draging along it. This means that the front of the car will travel faster than the back. This is what makes a skid recovery work. In order for this to work you can NOT use the brakes or the gas. This defeats the physics. You want all available traction to steer. once you are going straight you can use the brakes again.

Now here is where "steering into the skid" starts to go wrong. Take your flat straight road and tilt it and put a curve in front of you(with a cliff of course:wink1: ). The truck starts to slide toward the curve and cliff. If you steer into the skid you are steering yourself off the cliff. :eek1: If you steer where you want to go. Which would be along the curve, not off it. All four of your tires will be draging along the roadway causing more friction and slowing the car down faster. The instant the speed decreases to the point where more traction is aavailable the car will proceed forward along the roadway. (where you were pointing it) Again, for this to work the ONLY thing you want to be doing is steering.

The point here is this. "Steering into the skid" as a phrase can get you into trouble. You really only do this part of the time. "Steering where you want to go" will get you there every time. (even though some of that time you are technically steering into the skid:wink1: )

I would suggest if you go to a parking lot to try this. Take a set of cones with you. Creat a "goal" along a "roadway" and try to steer thought the goal. Don't just go do donuts in a parking lot. The old phase "practice make perfect" is WRONG, "perfect practice makes perfect". If you don't practice something right, you are simply training in the wrong skills.

"Spin Recovery"

If you are driving down a road and you start to slide. There is a point where "steering where you want to go" (or for the ney sayers "steering into the skid") will no longer work. At the point where you are 90 degree to your original path of travel. Having the wheels pointed any direction but straight will actually accelerate the spin. You need to return the front wheel to perfectly strraight. (in line with the back wheels) this will cause all four tires to drag the roadway again, and will stop the spin at 180 degrees (or 360 if you don't catch it fast enough). This only works with NO braking. Granted you will be traveling down the roadway backwards. But you will have steering and braking control again. Trust me on this one, works like a dream even at 150 mph on a race track.

I tried to cover this in a concise manner. So I may have skipped something and I am sure there may be a question. I did the math one day and figured out that I have done more than 30,000 skid/spin recoveries on a skid pad teaching people how to do this. I have had grown men argue the hell out of this until they go try it on a skid pad multiple times.

The problem most people have is that they can't duplicate any skid to make sure they actually did the right thing on purpose or if it was luck.


One last thought. THE ONLY thing 4 wheel drive does for you is reduce the work load of each tire. If you have a 4,000lb truck in 2wd with open diffs. 1 tire has to puch 4,000lbs. If you put it into 4wd. You now have 2 tires working and each only has to push 2,000lbs. This is what makes it easier to get moving. This gives the driver the perception that the road is not as slick. You still have the same four tires at 100 units of traction for braking and steering.
 

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