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Info I've found about the HEI Tach signal

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I'm thinking about designing a circuit for a tach. I've been reading about the signal from the Tach on the HEI.


The Tach signal for an HEI is reasonably similar to that found in a normal points ignition, with the exception of the dwell period duty cycle. A points system has a constant 67% duty-cycle angle (30*/45*), while an HEI strives for a constant dwell time (of perhaps 4-5 mSec). These are primary current duty-cycles, and a voltage reading at the Tach/C- lead (via an oscilloscope) would show a reciprocal duty cycle. An oscilloscope signal trace on a points system would show a constant appearance over the RPM range (only a change of frequency), while the HEI signal would show a continually decreasing voltage duty-cycle because while the period is decreasing, the dwell time (C- at 1.5v) is attempting to stay the same 4-5 milliseconds. At high RPM the voltage duty cycle reaches a minimum, as the module preserves a short amount of time for the coil to dump its energy to the plugs. As you can see, the signal is reasonably simple, with the exception of when the dwell stops and the plugs fire. We can divide it up into two parts.

The Tach/C- lead sits at 12-14v during non-dwell periods (as the HEI Darlington power transistor is off and there's no current flowing through the coil inductance/resistance). During dwell the power transistor is on, and most of the supply voltage is dropped across the coil, with the exception of the transistor's saturation voltage (about 1.5 volts). So essentially the Tach is a PWM signal bouncing around between 1.5v (during dwell) and 12-14v between dwell. [ For additional technical minutia, there is a short time just prior to the end of dwell when, if the primary current has hit its calibrated amperage target, the Darlington power transistor comes out of the saturation mode and into active mode, and the collector voltage (same as C- voltage) will reach about 6-8 volts. This mode keeps the current limited to about 5.6 -5.8 amps, negating the need for a ballast resistor to limit the peak primary current. This short event is only visible on an oscilloscope.]
The main concern when connecting the Tach to any instrumentation is the inductive ringup/flyback voltage when the transistor shuts off (and the plugs fire). Depending on the plug gap breakdown voltage, the Tach/C- signal will spike up to 100-300 volts, and then decay with a bunch of ringing on down to 12v again. This is the point where some RC filtering (and perhaps some voltage clamping) is required to keep the Tach/instrumentation circuitry from being damaged from the high voltage spikes each time the coil/plug fires.

So, it's basically a a DC PWM signal with a high-voltage ringing/AC component added onto it.

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http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149655


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJY1xftst94&feature=related
This is the "tach" signal (negative terminal of the ignition coil) of a GM HEI distributor after being run through an RC filter.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OlRJN57Q2Q
This is the unfiltered signal coming off the negative terminal of the ignition coil (the terminal labeled "tach") of a GM HEI distributor.
 
way over my head

why are you looking to design a circuit? What purpose?
interested in what u got rattlin around your cage
 
way over my head

why are you looking to design a circuit? What purpose?
interested in what u got rattlin around your cage

I was able to locate a C60 tach cluster like in the photo below. I intend to replace the tach board with modern electronics. I'm going to use a LM2917 Frequency to Voltage Converter microcontroler chip. The tach guage is a meter that responds to voltage change. The automotive circuit that transforms the frequency to voltage is documented by National semiconductor using the LM2917 chip. It is going to take some tweeking to dial it in but once I do it will have modern performance.

Here is a link to the data sheet for the LM2917 chip. LINK

Here is the circuit I'm going to build.

Gasollin-Engine-Tachometer-Detector-using-LM2917.jpg


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here ya go...all this electronic stuff is waking up some long dormant brain cells...:haha:

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hello all, I'm new here, I have a few questions about the circuit: my idea is read voltage from the circuit

a) can I eliminate the ammeter? if it is right, can connect the zenner directly at pin 8?
b) which is the value of the capacitor connected at distributor coil terminal
c) where can I connect a voltmeter to read output voltage?
d) need to add a rc filter to the circuit, or the circuit above is complete for use with a gm hei ignition?
 
Yes, I think a frequency to voltage converter IC is the easiest way to do this since frequency is really all you care about. Why not use an optoisolator? You can run a twisted pair to the tach and eliminate any ground noise.

FWIW, another way to accomplish this is to find some old aftermarket tach and steal that circuit board.

Something to keep in mind is that the gauges are not always linear with respect to input voltage. You might make measurements of voltage to indicate every 1000RPM (for example) to see if you need some compensation for this. The needle end is heavy, so it tends to read lowest around 9 o'clock and highest around 3 o'clock.
 
anybody know what value of capacitor must be used at spark coil dist. terminal, in the circuit above?
 
It's there for DC blocking, so the value isn't critical. You're capturing the rising and falling edges for the frequency count, not the 12VDC. 1uF is probably OK, but make sure it's rated for a couple hundred volts and non-polarized.
 
excuse me, I'm not a expert but the simbol in the circuit is for a polarized capacitor.
 
I have others questions
if I build the circuit like in the figure above, need to add something extra for filtering the coil signal ?
a digital ammeter or digital multimeter is a possibility for replace the analog multimeter?
 
wow this is an old thread I had started. I was trying to improve upon the original tach circuit. nowdays thru LMC one can get a new tach with modern electronics.
 
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