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Installing a lift?

Artemis Entreri

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Ok, I searched, went thru a bunch of pages but couldnt find a topic about what is involved with installing a lift?

Assume new springs all around, 4", new shocks. Going with rough country for now.

So do you do a side at a time, or front then back?
Assuming front then back, put the axles on jack stands, jack the truck, replace springs and shocks then put back together?

Will 4 inches require a drop down pitman arm or a altering of the driveshaft??

Thanks
 
Do one end at a time, not side to side. You should replace the steering arm with a raised one, the driveshafts should be fine with 4". I generally support the truck on jackstands , lifting which ever end you are working on, remove tires, support axle with floor jacks or jackstands and then start removing components. Oh I almost forgot, you will need to do something with you brake lines, either replace them with longer ones or some kits have brackets that sort of relocate them lower.

Being in NY you will probaly be dealing with rusty bolts etc (Im in MD so I feel for you) that being said PB blaster, wd40 is your friend, soak down everything in advance, more then once:D, and be prepared to have to cut some bolts, mainly the bolts going through the leaf spring bushings, so get some new ones ahead of time. I have yet to have all of them come out on any of the approx. 15 of these trucks I have lifted or just torn apart. That is all I can think of, I am sure others will add some more stuff for you to think about.
 
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ya make sure u get new grade 8 u bolts and leaf bolts they are worth the money.and allways have a die grinder handy those leaf bolt get welded to the bushing sleeve.
 
i wouldnt wast my money on rough country stuff. rides stiff. get some tuff country. all that work and makes it stiff. :mad:

and as said ny vehicle be vary prepaired for solid rust and stuff wont move at all.
 
Going with RC for now because they are much cheaper and I will be putting a bigger lift on it eventually, when I have the time and money for it to be a real toy.(Prob year or two) this is just for now to have fun with.

Really not looking foward to the rust, but it doesnt look too bad under there. I am the third owner, the second knew the first said it was garage kept most of the time, so heres to hoping it works out lol.
 
Soak the steering arm in PB blaster for a few days and when it comes time to remove it.. heat and beat :D Propane torch + sledge.. once you can work the cone washers around with a screw driver, you should be able to spin them out with it and a pair of needle nose.
 
artemis, just saw your pics in your sig. one clean k5. very nice. good luck with the lift, make sure to put the after pics in your sig too!
 
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buy a pickle fork and a g f h to get the steering arm off thats what i did to put on a drop pitman arm on my truck.
 
Soak the steering arm in PB blaster for a few days
Soak EVERYTHING in PB blaster not wd 40 not liquid wrench not anything else PB blaster everything you are going to need to take off spring u bolts steering stuff spring eyes everything and start a couple days before.

I second the dont' buy the rough country stuff :hack::grind::weld:for room for bigger tires


I kid everyone has their own thing as long as you know the lift is gonna suck then you are prepared for it Good luck
 
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I just installed a RC 4 inch lift, It took two of us to do it (me novice, friend expert). Listen to what these guys said, soak every nut and bolt as long as posible before you start. And then be prepared to cut and torch what doesn't move. Also save as much original gear as possible. The RC lift does not come with metal sleeves for the shocks. You also need grade 8 bolts for the springs. One bolt on every leaf spring had to be cut off. And to get the sleeves out of the old shocks I had to burn them out. Good luck.
 
I keep forgetting about you boys in the rust belt.. all of my bolts came of easy without any lube :D
 
Lol truck really has no rust so im hoping it wont be too bad.

Say I go with 4inch lift, to fit something bigger thn 35s people say I need to trim, is that the inner fender, or the actual body panels of the truck?

If I wanted to go up to say 37s just for the hell of it.

And I see alot of tires seem to be the same size but look diffrent, is that based on the width of the rim or something? And how does that work?

Is there a marking somewhere in my truck that I can find out what gearing I have in her? Looking to not change the rears(axles?) never sure what they were both called when refering to the whole piece. But if have to,I dont have the money to go one ton and I prob wont wheel this thing that hard to need them in a long time.

So as far as 3/4 tons, is there something that they came in that would bolt right in to my 91k5 and will have a better gearing for me? 4.?? id assume.

Thanks alot everyone
 
hey man i have a 90 k5 and did a 6 inch lift and 37's. on street no rub but when it flexed out i rubbed. so i trimmed a bunch off the fenders. it is the actual body panels and then pushed the inner fender back. wasn't to bad. My friend did 35's with a 4 inch lift and only had to trim a bit of the lip of the fender that rolls in on the bottom.

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Theres some pics the fenders cut. tires look different sizes by how much sidewall there is. bigger rim less sidewall. also make sure u get the right back spacing for the width of your tire. My bolts for the most part came out but some were rusted on the leafspring sleeve which sucked.

Ryan
 
Artemis.
You will be fine with the RC lift. They dont ride bad. The older ones rode stiff and RC got a bad rap for that. But they have changed the spring rates and now have Teflon pads in the springs. I have a RC lift and am very happy with it. It rides better than my old stock suspension. Flex fine off road.
Get the full suspension RC Kit with all four springs. Dont do blocks on the back.
spend a little extra and get the Nitro 9000 shocks they ride a lot better than the basic ones that come in the kit. The RC kit is complete has everything you need to install with very clear instructions with pics diagrams torque specs ect.
I have bought 2 lifts from these guys: http://www.topguncustomz.com/Store/Gen2ProdDisplay.php?iview=44083466
They install what they sell and know their stuff. Their tech people are happy to help you out if you run into a problem.
 
Lol truck really has no rust so im hoping it wont be too bad.

Say I go with 4inch lift, to fit something bigger thn 35s people say I need to trim, is that the inner fender, or the actual body panels of the truck?

If I wanted to go up to say 37s just for the hell of it.

Most likely only the outer body panel. Run your hand along the upper inside of the wheelwell; there's a lip there of the body sheetmetal for a few inches before you get to the inner wheel well.

And at 37"s you really oughta think about D60/14bFF if you haven't already.

And I see alot of tires seem to be the same size but look diffrent, is that based on the width of the rim or something? And how does that work?

Tire sizes are approximate at best. Yes, the rim width affects the actual diameter. most manufacturers list the inflated diameter of their tires on a specific rim width, and they also should list an acceptable range of rim widths.

Is there a marking somewhere in my truck that I can find out what gearing I have in her? Looking to not change the rears(axles?) never sure what they were both called when refering to the whole piece. But if have to,I dont have the money to go one ton and I prob wont wheel this thing that hard to need them in a long time.

"Axle" is best, inasmuch as calling anything on the front of the truck a rear end is a bit silly. (The term "rear" comes from cars which have only gears in the rear axle, being 2WD ;) )

You may have a sheet with the options ("RPO"'s) in the glove box. The only way to be absolutely sure is to pull the covers and count teeth, but you can prolly turn the wheels and count revolutions.

So as far as 3/4 tons, is there something that they came in that would bolt right in to my 91k5 and will have a better gearing for me? 4.?? id assume.

Thanks alot everyone

With numerically lower gears, like, say, 2.73:1, you end up with a lower crawl ratio and no torque off the line, but you get lower engine RPM at highway speed. (With larger tires, you also risk killing the tranny due to excessive torque required to spin the things.)

Numerically higher gears (e.g. 4.56:1) give you stupid grunt off the line, but wind your engine up faster at speed. You also get better crawl ratio, i.e. more throttle control at low speed and in low gear on the transfer case for better control on the trail.

Gearing is decided by what RPM you want your engine to be spinning at a given speed, and is a function of your transmission's highest gear as well.

There are lots of gear calculators online; Google for it. Note that your '91 should have a 700R4 tranny, which has a 0.7:1 overdrive (the older auto trannies have a 1:1 "high" gear, i.e. third.)

Jeebus, that wasn't supposed to be so complicated =))

Also note you'll want to look into speedo correction. Your truck may have the DRAC, an electronic thing, which makes it more complicated than changing plastic gears in the tranny. I think.

EDIT: And to actually answer your question ... yes, lots of 73-91 3/4 ton trucks had 4.10:1's from the factory. Swap in a set of axles off such a truck (pickup or Burb) and you're golden. They'll bolt right up, and if your donor truck is of matching years, even the parking brakes will cable up properly.

-- A
 

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