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Is Moab Anti-Wheeler?

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Saw this article in Off-Road magazine, written by Utah local and Editor Phil Howell. The link to the story and scanned article is on a Jeep site but the argument is interesting. Mr. Howell's is implying that Moab is becoming anti-wheeler.

Anyone that attends EJS or B-Bash have any input? Any locals on the board that can offer some insight? Will Moab become over managed to the point that it drives people to other areas? I'd be interested to hear what you think.

http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7614067
 
Its just like spring break in Fla. Some locals make a living on it, most hate it. Moab is turning into (or has turned into) a destination and with crowds and all of the crap that the locals have to put up with because of crowds, resentment is sure to follow.

Ask any local in Baton Rouge that does not follow college football and they will tell you just how bad they hate game days because of the enormous jump in traffic, etc.
 
How Quickly they Forget

Kind of like biting the hand that feeds you. I am in the mining industry. Mining helped open up the west. Afterwards, you get the general population following and they forget why they all were there in the first place and you get the "Not in my back yard" attitude.

I recommend Ticaboo, UT. I am living there now and there are facilities. Primarily the Bullfrog Marina and boaters but there is potential. Do a mapquest.

Monticello is not a bad idea either. Perhaps we have just outgrown Moab?:confused:
 
Moab has had pretty much the same crowd for years.
The local buisness loves all of it!! Other locals hate the crowd just like anywhere else. I have quite a few friends in moab that just love the sport.

The hippies are the only ones that bug me.
 
jms said:
Not sure what you'd call over-managed.

I'd say coordinated trail closures, re-routes, and indirect harassment of non-locals with the purpose of driving away the offroad crowd. You have to remember that I've never been up to Moab specifically for the offroading, other activities yes.

I was looking for the viewpoint of people that have been there and directly dealt with the subjects raised in the article. Is the author exaggerating the scope or is it an accurate portrayal. So far it sounds like the average tourist destination with the typical conflicts.
 
The BLM permit stipulates that during EJS, RR4W are responsible for the trails that are in use on that day. If they leave the trails open, RR4W would be responsible for everyone on that trail that day. No wonder they don't want that.

But I just find all that whining funny. Trails are not closed for good. The purpose is not to drive away the offroad crowd, as you put it. They are trying hard to conduct their event in the proper manner. In fact, the purpose is for 'wheelers to (finally?) accept responsibility for our trails. We've got to give our input at the next land use evaluation, as BLM is obligated to listen to the public.

For all of us who have played tennis at a public parks, it's really nothing new: if you show up on the day when they have a tournament, and you're not part of that tournament, guess what - you don't get to use that public park on that day. People grumble about this, too, but it's nothing special.

Due to the way EJS has grown - and grown out of hand, particularly on the occasions when EJS coincides with spring break - and due to the pressures from anti-access groups, it was clear that more regulations would be coming.

Now, EJS is a special case compared to other occasions when I was in Moab. Tensions run high at EJS (fights at Potato Salad Hill are not going to help sway opinion to our side...), LEOs are strung out thin, reponses to violations are strict, and LEOs tend to err on their side of caution. Also, they bring in LEOs from other districts to help. And you wouldn't believe what you see on the road at EJS - good 'wheeling rigs for sure, but nowhere near street legal. Should the people running those rigs really be surprised that they draw the ire of the law?

EJS is fun, but also crazy. If you want to see it, I'd say it's worthwhile. But if you want to go 'wheeling, you're better off doing it any other time than Easter week. For me, it was fun watching 'Big Saturday' (and guess what: the police closes off Hwy 191 for the Big Bang departure, I'm sure some tourists have been inconvenienced by that closure of a public roadway...). I won't be back for it, though.

In contrast, Blazer Bash has been nothing like that. The athmosphere at that time of the year is far more relaxed. And trails are not closed, either.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Editorial is due to the fact that the Editor of a national 4WD publication got into a bind with the Law (right or wrong, whatever), and this is the Editor's personal way of getting back to the Law. What good is power if you can't make use of it?


P.S. The big issue to me is that people who wheel just don't pay much attention to land use issues. Just look in this forum. A little ways down is a thread about a petition to open a local wheeling spot. That petition attracted not even 200 signatures over the course of 3 (count'em: three!) freaking years! That pretty much means nobody cares...
 
jms said:
Just a disclaimer: Closing in on 50, my views may be biased regarding crowds and regulations etc. To balance that, you might want to chat with Brandon or Dirk about this. I believe they have been in the situation where RR4W denied them access to a trail.

There seems to be the impression that RR4W 'negotiated a deal' with BLM regarding trail use at EJS. That may be true in part, I don't know details. But there WAS a period of public input to the BLM regarding this issue. I see a lot of the complaints after the fact as simply crying over spilled milk...

I'm probably half your age, have been to EJS 3 or 4 times, and I'm all for the RR4WC taking over the trails during that week. Moab is a freakin' circus during EJS and there are LOTS of stupid people. The first time I went out for EJS, RR4WC didn't have control of the trails and everything seemed fine but I could see how it could get out of control in a hurry.

Regardless, the RR4WC has control during EJS and probably will for a long time. If you don't like it, wheel the other 51 weeks of the year :D
 
I will throw in my .02.

Moab is in a very strange position. They are a mecca of hiking, biking, fourwheeling and just about any other outdoor sport there is.
If you want to see the real Moab don't go the EJS.
During Blazer bash the town is totally different.
I myself have had several run ins with the Red Rockers. During EJS they have a chip on their shoulder and don't have a problem being d!cks. My runins were in town not on the trail.
I think that bashing the Red Rock club or the town of Moab over EJS is out of line. I have had my differences with each BUT they are put into a very tough position. Tens of Thousands of people decend on the town and most of the younger crowd just want to tear it up. The extra LEO's are brought in and I am sure that they have been told to write the ticket and let the person come back and fight it in court if they want. I have heard of several people getting a ticket in a buggy for three hundred or so dollars. Just enough to get the attention but not enough to warrent coming back to Moab to fight.

Bottom line is with the size and rudeness of the EJS crowds the town is in a bad spot and they can only try their hardest to enforce the rules, right wrong or indiferent.

I tow the buggy everywhere for EJS and as long as the weather is good I usually drive it during Blazer bash and have had no problems.

I don't like what Moab turns into during The big events but I understand why they do it.
 

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