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K5 6" lift NP-208 rear drive line advice needed

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I have an 88 K5-350/700r4/np-208/10b 1/2ton with 4.88 limited slip and 315-75/r16 tires.

This truck sees 99% street/freeway use. When I do go off road it is just to go snowboarding or run mountain BLM dirt roads. I don't have to use 4wd very often.

I have a drive line vibration. Lowering the t-case with the 1" factory spacers made a difference, but the angle is still bad on the U-joint at the T-case. I had decided to go with a CV slip yoke shaft. I got to a recommended (by my mechanic uncle) drive line shop and they claimed to be able to make the single cardan shaft work.

I would stay far away from Banning Drive line service in Banning, CA. These guys don't know their heads from their asses. I asked about 5 times yesterday if the angles on the U joints were withing acceptable limits. They said yes. They reinstalled the 1" spacers (I had pulled them out in prep for a CV), replaced u joints and shortened the drive shaft to work with the spacers. Well, they got rid of the clunk that happened from 1st to 2nd gear due to the drive shaft bottoming out, but that is about it. Today, they admitted that dropping the T-case more might help, but they also wanted to blame the vibrations on other equipment. This shop claims on their receipt that they are a 4x4 specialist. BS. They also never actually measured the drive line angles. I know an experienced person can tell a lot from just looking at it, but they never bothered to see how far off it really was.

I replaced the engine, myself, with a GM goodwrench stock 5.7 tbi. Less than a few thousand miles ago, my uncle rebuilt the rear end, rebuilt the 700r4 with all the good upgrades, and went through a used 208 that I picked up here. The 208 looked very good (they were amazed and they specialize in transmissions), so they sealed it up put it in.

I have some vibration when on and off the throttle at low speeds. I have a constant vibration at 60mph and higher. This vibration has existed as long as I have had the K5 (lift was put on by PO). I need to hit 70mph smoothly and quietly. I read this site again last night and read about HAD and Tom Woods drive lines. I also found some other info on google. I also talked to 4 west in Colton, CA, an off road shop. CK5, HAD, Tom Woods, and 4 west pretty much say a CV will get me where I want. Banning says a standard 1310 or 1350 CV doesn't have enough angle and a larger high angle CV (they want $900 for just the CV joint) isn't recommended for freeway use.

4 west is local and will set the pinion angle and have the shaft built (1350 cv) and install it for $850. A different local driveline shop wants $650 just to build a CV shaft (I don't know if it was a 1350), I don't think they do installs. Or, I could do the prep myself and measure and order a shaft from someone else. If I screw up the install, I have to pay to fix it (ex. angles and measurements). 4 west does jeeps and K5's and Bronco's often. Of course they will not give me a 100% guarantee that a CV will eliminate all vibration either.

So, Brotherhood, what route would you do? Some kind of an SYE kit for the 208 or keep the stock slip yoke? Let a shop handle this with their preferred drive line company out of Orange, CA or save a few bucks and do it myself.

Most people seem to like HAD and Tom Woods, but I have found a few bad reviews also, as is the case with most companies. Most of the threads I found were from the early 2000's, and not based on recent work.

Does anyone here have the same combo I have with a CV axle?
 
Put a cv in it the rear shaft. You may have to point the pinion up towards the tcase if it doesnt work at the stock angle.
 
get your money back from the other shop
Did they look at the truck at all? If so, and they still recommended single u joint driveline, THEN told you to drop the T-case, they are full of **** cause one contradicts the other.

6" lift should never need the t-case dropped when set up right. CV shaft it. Whether you want to do an SYE is up to you (mine is from tom woods, excellent service) but it's not needed. The mechanics of it are better, putting the slip on the driveshaft and not the t-case, but the move isn't necessary.

I would look into the 4 West company, since they actually do 4x4 setups and you're not confident with the install. If you SYE it, the case has to be split, installed, then drivelines measured. 1350 is good if the angles stay in range, otherwise 1310/1410 have a larger range of working angles. My CV is 1350, axle is 1410, but I'm only on 5" lift. Also, CV isn't a problem on the highway, not sure how they come up with that. Not properly greasing u-joints that are driven on the highway, well yes, that's bad.

whereabouts in so cal? Banning?
 
The jacked up shop is in Banning, CA. 4 West is in Colton, Ca and I live nearby in Fontana, CA.

The Banning shop was only willing to put the cost of the work on the first shaft into the work on a CV. They had either a 1310 or 1330 CV on their bench, but it did not have enough angle.

It would be nice to leave the T-case set at factory level, for the front shaft to have proper alignment and then let the rear CV take up the rest of the angle. I just don't know if the CV will run smooth enough at that angle.

I talked to Inland drive line yesterday about a CV shaft. They were the ones who quoted me $650 a few months ago. They said a CV will make a huge difference, but may not eliminate all vibration. 4 West said the same thing. Inland doesn't install, and 4 West does.

Right now, 4 West is looking like the best choice. It might be worth a few hundred bucks to let someone experienced set it up, use a driveline shop that they are confident in, and be responsible for getting it to give respectable performance.

If I can get a smooth ride at 70mph without the SYE, then I will go that route. I don't do any hardcore stuff where I might break parts on my K5.
 
I have 7" of suspension lift and a HAD 1350 cv, and no binding. The rear axle is pushed forward because of the shackle flip, further increasing my angle. The thing runs smooth up to 80 as far as I can tell. I have a sye still sitting in a box on the shelf because I haven't needed it. With my 5"lift and 35's, I went 100 on that shaft. Go HAD or Tom woods definitely, unless you find a local place with good reviews.
 
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