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k5 blazer, f350 axle swap?

78K5Johnny

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I'm 1 ton-ing my 78 blazer and having trouble finding a gm d60 front for a decent price. I'm finding tons of early 2000s f350 axles for sale for cheap. Also the rear already has disc brakes. Wondering if anyone has done this swap and if so is there any problems with doing it. Already know that I'll have to put new spring perches, shock mounts, custom drive shafts, but what about the steering? Thanks.
 
Transfer case drops on the wrong side. Not an impossible swap but a lot of work for a ball joint 60.

I've had better luck looking on the side of the road for derelict k30s in fields and offering to drag it away for a couple hundred bucks. They're still out there
 
Already have a np241c driverside drop to bolt to my nv4500, biggest concern is steering. Already have a 14bolt ff sitting in my garage, was thinking of converting my 10bolt to 8 lug and calling it a day but fear it wont withstand the future 37s and 454 im swaping in. Would the ball joint d60 be stronger?
 
I've seen several gm dana 60s in the grand junction area in the 800-1000 range in the last year. Not sure how far away you are from there.
 
The pinion is very offset the short side is very short. Spring pad spacing is 38".

Do not be concerned with the fact that it is a ball joint axle. That is not a weak spot. The unit bearings are awesome till ya gotta buy new ones. They still aren't baf.

These are gonna be THE front 60 in upcoming years
 
I'm pretty sure the spring pad width on the early 2000's ford 60's are different than the square body chevy spring width's. I'm not 100% certain on that, so if someone knows for sure they can chime in.

I would say just keeping an eye out on C-List and everywhere you can think of, you will find one for a good deal. There are still good deals to be had out there if you show some patience and wait for the right deal
 
Just stirring the pot here, but google pictures of broken kingpin knuckles vs ball joint knuckles.

The ball joint 60 isn't a perfect swap, but it is a nice axle.
 
Already have a np241c driverside drop to bolt to my nv4500, biggest concern is steering. Already have a 14bolt ff sitting in my garage, was thinking of converting my 10bolt to 8 lug and calling it a day but fear it wont withstand the future 37s and 454 im swaping in. Would the ball joint d60 be stronger?

Steering can be done, you would likely be forced to go with a high steer knuckle. They run about $500 from a bunch of different manufacturers. Ball joint 60 is tougher than a 10 bolt ever could hope to be. Also keep in mind that super duty 8 lug pattern is weirdo metric stuff that won't match your 14bolt 8 lug pattern
 
Just stirring the pot here, but google pictures of broken kingpin knuckles vs ball joint knuckles.

The ball joint 60 isn't a perfect swap, but it is a nice axle.

I'm not saying that they're completely poor axles, but they're about as far from fitting a square body Chevy as they could be. Metric bolt pattern, springs pads are 6" too wide and can't be moved, diff on wrong side, very limited steering options, etc.

And as far as broken knuckles go, search broken ball joints vs. broken kingpins and see what you find. The balljoints serve as a pretty good fuse to keep balljoint knuckles alive, but there are upgraded knuckles for kingpin axles.
 
I've got 3 99-04 SD 60s in my garage right now, along with my old GM kingpin 60. The vertical spacing between the ball joints / kingpin / trunnions is exponentially what dictates strength in bending. A perfect side load will induce shear and then the diameter of the joint will be the deciding factor for strength.

The newer ball joint 60s have giant ball joints that are further apart than the old kingpins. The inner Cs and knuckles are also way bigger. These newer axles are absolutely designed for heavier trucks with heavier loads and bigger engines.

The spring spacing is 37.5" which kind of sucks and the 8x170mm bolt pattern is not my favorite, although the wheels are common. There are several manufacturers selling 8x6.5" unit bearings that are set up for bigger stub shafts. You can also redrill the stock bearings. There's plenty of metal there, and they are hub centric anyway.

It doesn't get easier than swapping another GM axle, but the new 60s are stronger in certain areas. The only thing I don't care for is the wheel bearing spacing is very close together, which makes the unit bearing weaker as an assembly. The distance between inner/outer bearing is what gives the strength just like the spacing for ball joints. I've got a couple extra unit bearing floating around that I'm going to dismantle and investigate the possibility of rebuilding as soon as I get my new shop online and build some new fixtures.

There's an 80+ page thread on pirate regarding these new Ford axles. The 05-12(?) Models are more desirable due to have bigger wheel bearings and being set up for radius arms already. You can remove about half of the drivers side spring perch on the 99-04 units however, and that will give you about 2.5"-3" of tube to weld to for a link mount. A guy local to me has also built several units for Ultra4 cars with mounts welded to the center section without issues. If you are still running leaves, you'll need to outboard your springs, which is not ideal on the torsionally shitty frames that the square bodies had. You'll probably want to incorporate the forward spring mount in to a bumper/cross member that is a very rigid beam. The rear will be tricky due to the transmission being in the way. I had dozens of issues with my frame failing back there and toward the engine mounts with stock spacing running a very soft leaf setup and rock crawling.

The turning radius on those knuckles sucks which you'll probably be stuck with if you have a leaf spring in the way.
 
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