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lets play the name game.

What is this wrench thingy in this guys hand? I cannot get my carrier out. I even pulled the pinion out cause i got frustrated. It will slide back about 1/8" or so but it wont come out. Im wondering if i raised a bur on the bearing bore. However i cant find any damage anywhere.

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That's a spanner wrench used to adjust the preload on the carrier bearings.
To get the carrier out you need to pull the axles & turn the preload adjusters ,so they thread into the axle tubes ,away from the carrier ,then is should drop right out in your lap
 
ahhhhhhh, ok the axles are out and the caps are off, the pinion is out, but i did not rotate the thingys with the holes in it. and now it makes sense why there is a screw with a spring that goes in those holes. so it doesn't spin.

I'm starting to get it. :D

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Yeah...to get the carrier out you have to make sure to slide the shafts out and make sure the adjustment nuts are fully loosened.

The carrier wont always "fall out in your lap" as posted earlier. In fact..i have never had on do it that easy. I used a crowbar on the ring gear bolts for leverage to get mine out. Even with some prying, it still wouldnt come out. I laid some cardboard and towels down on the grond...wedged the crowbar against the ring gear bolts...and gave it a swift kick. It popped out then.

I have heard, and even seen on here, some people who wrapped a chain around the carrier and used another vehicle to pull it out. I wouldnt recommend that method at all though.:doah:
-Harrison
 
I posted that before I saw your last post makovai. Yeah....you need to unscrew the adjustment nuts in order for the carrier to come out. Take a punch and mark both sides of the adjustment nuts in order to tell how much you have turned them. It usually takes about 2 full turns on each to remove the carrier. Since you have some problems going on in there and you removed the pinion, your gonna need to pay to have someone re-set up the gears. If you only wanted to remove the carrier....you wouldnt have to have the gears re-set up because you just mark the holes on the adjustment nuts...count how many times you turned them...and when you put the carrier back in you just tighten them down the same amount of turns...and everything is how it was.:wink1:
-Harrison
 
oh well, i set the pinion the original time. I guess we can see how well i did :haha:


Lets take this thread another direction.
I have now removed the pinion and the carrier and there is no (i mean absolutely none) damage anywhere.

What are the odds someone blew up a bearing in the past and never dug the pieces of bearing off the magnet? The pieces of bearing i dug out of there did not come off any of the 3 bearings in this rear end.

Or maybe i have a wheels bearing that is coming apart and it worked it way all the way into the pumpkin. Whatcha all think?
 
Look again there are 4 bearings in the center section,
2 carrier bearings & 2 bearings for the pinion (one front & one rear)
If those are intact I would check all the wheel bearings just to be sure .
 
k30bb468 said:
Look again there are 4 bearings in the center section,
2 carrier bearings & 2 bearings for the pinion (one front & one rear)
If those are intact I would check all the wheel bearings just to be sure .
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ditto.
-Harrison
 
There is actually 5 bearings in a 14ff axle. There are 2 side carrier bearings, 2 pinion bearings, and a pinion support bearing. There is a remote chance that this was carnage from a previous failure but i wouldn't count on it.
 
4X4HIGH said:
There is actually 5 bearings in a 14ff axle. There are 2 side carrier bearings, 2 pinion bearings, and a pinion support bearing. There is a remote chance that this was carnage from a previous failure but i wouldn't count on it.
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X Eleventybillion :doah:
 
Actually i meant 4 bearings, however i did not no there was a 5th, i'm gonna investigate that. then i will move to wheel bearings. Please please please keep checking back on this post, i have a felling i'm gonna need more help. :doah:
 
4X4HIGH said:
There is actually 5 bearings in a 14ff axle. There are 2 side carrier bearings, 2 pinion bearings, and a pinion support bearing. There is a remote chance that this was carnage from a previous failure but i wouldn't count on it.
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Oops. I forgot about the pinion support bearing. I shouldnt have considering I basically had to do the same thing makovai is doing.....tearing apart the entire 14 to diagnose a problem.:doah:
-Harrison
 
Okay - dumb question - but where is the 5th bearing? I see the two on the Pinion shaft - one at the nose, and one behind the pinion gear, and obviously the two on either side of the carrier - but where's the fifth?
 
You cannot see the outer pinion bearing until you remove the yoke and seal, it is behind the seal inside the pinion support housing.
 
4X4HIGH said:
You cannot see the outer pinion bearing until you remove the yoke and seal, it is behind the seal inside the pinion support housing.
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Yup. And I dont think I will ever remove the yoke and pinion again. It takes a massive amount of force to get that crush sleeve to crush. When I tried to get mine to crush I had a 6 foot cheater pipe and 4 people on it. The truck was sitting on the garage floor, and we were making the tires turn over. There were literraly burn out marks on the floor after that. Theres nothing like the sound of roasting 37's....especially when you do it by hand.
-Harrison
 
It takes a massive amount of force to get that crush sleeve to crush.
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This is why you take it to someone with a press and have them get it to start to crush THEN continue with your job. Makes life SO much easier. :D
 
I'm no 14-bolt expert, but the pieces of the bearing cage look like it belongs to rear pinion support bearing which is at the center of IGOR's pic. The cages of most taper roller bearing usually have one rolled edge. Your fragments do not have a rolled edge. You should see the bearing as soon you take the carrier out. Or if you look down where the pinion support was at.
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This might clear up some confusion.

You can see four of the five bearings in this section view of the 14BFF. The right hand carrier bearing is not shown since they decided to show the main cap bolt instead. That bearing would be located at number 23.

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ok...i found the damaged bearing. It's the rear pinion bearing. ( nice call JDNobodi) It just flat gone. All that i can find of it is the 2 pieces in the first pic. Anyway, how do i identify my 14 bolt? year mostly. These morons at the auto parts store cant help at all unless i can tell them a make, model, and original paint color :haha:


These are some of the numbers:

14 bolt housing:
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ring gear:
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Pinion:
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