Locker vrs. Limited Slip

[1978Blazerk5]

how hard is it to put a loc-rite or a assie locker(?) (lunchbox lockers) into a dana 44?

 

[Dabba]

Wow, alot of good info in this thread. I knew nothing of how different difs worked. Now i really want locker in my truck as i was thinking of regearing, but it looks like 3/4 ton swap with high gears and lockers looks good. Whats better? rear/front or both end lockers? How are they on the beach and snow, whats best for beach and snow because thats all i see really around here. Gonna try to hit some trails eventually. Sorry to hijack it a bit but reading through this just made me think of these questions.

 

[rcamacho]

how hard is it to put a loc-rite or a assie locker(?) (lunchbox lockers) into a dana 44?

Plenty of articles out on the web for this. Some carriers require removal of the ring gear. Others you can slip the cross pin out and install the locker without removing the carrier.

 

[pauly383]

how hard is it to put a loc-rite or a assie locker(?) (lunchbox lockers) into a dana 44?

Unfortunatley with some gearsets , namely 3.73 and lower ( higher numerically ) , you need to remove the ring gear to get the pin out .

And they don't use a bolt like a 10 bolt , that pin is held in with a roll pin , so you have to drift it out .

And unlike a 10 bolt , the ring gear bolts are NOT reverse thread .

Done 3 of those already

 

[3/4 Ton Blazer]

Now to force the driver out just enough to make the ratcheting happen , there needs to be sufficient speed over a hard surface , such as a sweeping turn on a freeway ramp , or no torque on the driveshaft , such as turning around in a parking lot barely touching the gas pedal .

They don't just unlock wheeling , they work with a tire in the air .

Not so. As long as you are not giving it enough gas to make the tire go faster than it is traveling on the ground (To lose traction), and you make a turn, the outside tire in the turn will unlock assuming your detroit is working properly (I am only using the detroit for my explaination, as others may vary, and I am only 100% familiar with the mechanical workings of a detroit). The diff doesn't care what surface you are on.

 

[pauly383]

You just said the same thing I said in different words dude

And surface does make a difference , it sure as hell ain't gonna ratchet ( UNLOCK ) on loose dirt or sand

 

[3/4 Ton Blazer]

You just said the same thing I said in different words dude

And surface does make a difference , it sure as hell ain't gonna ratchet ( UNLOCK ) on loose dirt or sand

I must be misunderstanding what you are saying then. As far as surface, I was just saying that the diff doesn't care what surface is on. For example if you were in dirt, but not gassing it enough to loose traction, it would act just as it does on pavement. It seemed like it was being said that the diff some how magically changed it's characteristics just because it was on dirt, and that obviously isn't true. It is more likely to "Lock" on dirt as it is more likely to loose traction, but not a garrantee. And I think the term "No Slip" is a much more accurate term for a detroit as opposed to "Locker", as it is more technically accurate.

 

[pauly383]

I can get a solid chirp on turns when it upshifts , definitely both sides locked together . And some awesome frame twistage to one side when you goose it from a standstill , just like a drag car with a Strange Spool

 

[broncoman6524]

I can get a solid chirp on turns when it upshifts , definitely both sides locked together . And some awesome frame twistage to one side when you goose it from a standstill , just like a drag car with a Strange Spool

Damn good feeling isn't it?

I don't know why yall are argueing about how a locker works...Heres what I know, my is fun on the street, off-road my lockright has never unlocked on my when i was on the gas. Therefore making my money well spent

Limited slips bring the gaay

 

[1978Blazerk5]

so how well would a loc-rite in the front work with my gov-bomb in the rear? Would it be money well spent? also i gotta drive this thing everyday, would that be an issue? Someone told me that front lockers don't do well on snow, is this true, cause I like playing in deep snow?

 

[Hogback Fabrication]

so how well would a loc-rite in the front work with my gov-bomb in the rear? Would it be money well spent? also i gotta drive this thing everyday, would that be an issue? Someone told me that front lockers don't do well on snow, is this true, cause I like playing in deep snow?

You have a 203 (full time 4WD) which means a mechanical locker up front is out of the question.

 

[1978Blazerk5]

its got a part time kit, and manual hubs

 

[3/4 Ton Blazer]

I don't know why yall are argueing about how a locker works...Heres what I know, my is fun on the street, off-road my lockright has never unlocked on my when i was on the gas. Therefore making my money well spent

Do you just mean that the tires were always going forward when accelerating? Or it actually "Locked" the axles like an ARB or spool (Locked in both directions of rotation)? I thought the lockright worked just like a detroit for the most part.

 

[1978Blazerk5]

WOW this stuff is confusing.

I might give my friend a call and get a phone number for the guy who does all his axel work. (this guy is probaly the best in the whole area, maybe the whole state)

 

[3/4 Ton Blazer]

WOW this stuff is confusing.

I might give my friend a call and get a phone number for the guy who does all his axel work. (this guy is probaly the best in the whole area, maybe the whole state)

If you have a part time kit, and manual hubs, you can put whatever you want in the front diff.

 

[Chevy305]

I have a lock right which is a mechanical locker. I drive my truck on the street everyday and its no big deal. I noticed that it does a few things differently from an open diff on the street. Such as when turning at all it will unlock and drive the inside wheel of the turn rather the outside with an open diff so it takes turns slightly faster because the inside wheel travels a shorter distance than the outisde wheel. Also, when turning, you hit the gas 1/2 way though the turn the locker will want to lock up again and try to drive the truck straight (easy to overcome, just turn the wheel more). If you give it enough gas you can make the tires chirp going around corners and if you go balls to the walls then it locks totally and you do a power slide or fish tail.

mechanical lockers are senitive to torque. The more you apply, the more they want to lock. If you totally remove all torque during a turn (i.e. clutching mid turn) then it bucks because a locker wants to be locked, but you're still turning so it ratchets/locks/ratchets/locks/ratchets/locks and so on until you do something like complete the turn or release the clutch. Its just a slight matter of adjusting you're driving to aviod it, but with an auto it doesn't happen because there is always a slight amount of torque applied to the diff.

I know my locker ratchets even when I'm in 4x4. Just because you apply torque to the front wheels, doesn't mean it never unlocks. It just depents on the terrain and tires. If you have plenty of traction then it will still unlock, but if you're in something soft and/or mucky then it'll stay locked and that is exactly what you want out of locker.

 

[Blue85]

so how well would a loc-rite in the front work with my gov-bomb in the rear? Would it be money well spent? also i gotta drive this thing everyday, would that be an issue? Someone told me that front lockers don't do well on snow, is this true, cause I like playing in deep snow?

I would rather have the gov-lock up front and a locker in the back.

The front locker can be scary on ice and make turning difficult. Of course, with your hubs unlocked it doesn't matter what's in the front diff, but who wants to run in 2WD in snow/ice? Now with deep snow, lock it up and go at it. Just be prepared to unlock a hub or shift the T-case back to 2WD on occasion to make turns.

 

[Randy92782]

Ok i see there is much debating in this thread so i'll just post my question in here. sorry to hijack but figure it might give you an idea what they look like too

Here is the front which i believe is a locker. Can someone possibly tell me what kind it is??


and here is what was in the rear which i know to be a limitied slip. It had chunks in the bottom when i brought the truck home so it's junked out. I don't recommend this type



Sorry the pics suck but so does the camera haha

 

[Hogback Fabrication]

Ok i see there is much debating in this thread so i'll just post my question in here. sorry to hijack but figure it might give you an idea what they look like too

Here is the front which i believe is a locker. Can someone possibly tell me what kind it is??


and here is what was in the rear which i know to be a limitied slip. It had chunks in the bottom when i brought the truck home so it's junked out. I don't recommend this type



Sorry the pics suck but so does the camera haha

The top looks kinda like my detroit (that's a dana 60, right?) but its not the same. It could be an older model. I don't think I've seen a limited slip that had an enclosed carrier like that.

The bottom "limited slip" is a gov-lok

 

[Randy92782]

The top looks kinda like my detroit (that's a dana 60, right?) but its not the same. It could be an older model. I don't think I've seen a limited slip that had an enclosed carrier like that.

The bottom "limited slip" is a gov-lok

nope it's a 44 front 12 bolt i believe. It's in the front of a half ton truck

As for the govlok OH NO!!!! I've heard very bad things. probably why the thing is busted already haha

EDIT: the truck has been sitting for years. I was a soon to be show truck but the guy just let it sit too long til i got it