M1009 won't start..Wont crank..HELP!

[ajsmith184]

So I have a million things going on, dropped it off at the transmission shop simply to install a trans cooler for $50 so I can have my sat morning free.

Call me, they got it done..Now it wont crank over.

I assume start by lookin at the relay, right? If that's good move down to the starter? Just looking for a quick guide here on where to go..I suck at the TMs.

 

[herkdriver007]

start simple...did they hook up the battery correctly (assuming they removed for cooler install, i dunno) since I'm pretty sure it needs 24v, maybe they did it wrong.

any clicks, or just dead? trying to turn over? any other lights on (gen lights?)

 

[ajsmith184]

I dont know...Why I hate other people working on my stuff....Story goes like this..Drop it off because I need it tomorrow and havent had time to install...They call me it wont start..has 24v to the starter...Getting me a price from a local starter rebuilder to just get it done...4 hrs pass...Now they change their tune that they are "just making sure" but "it might be a relay"..Different story than before....Then they call it starts and runs fine, he wasnt letting the glowplugs cycle long enough, which is another deal entirely.

Oh well..It runs now...When it cools down in the AM Ill see what Im dealing with. Did I mention I hate when other people work on my stuff? The story doesnt make sense, and doesnt add up. Especially makes me angry when I didnt ask them to start ripping around diaging the truck...I hope they didnt do any damage anywhere

 

[ajsmith184]

Update...

So I let it sit and went out to fire it up this morning. Turned the key on to cycle the glow plugs, no click from under the dash. Cycled it again, got almost a motor or tap tap tap noise.. Cycled a third time and they sounded normal. Let the wait light go out, and nothing when I turned the key.

This sound like a sticking relay? Which direction should I go first? Batteries are charged.

 

[ajsmith184]

Update, for those who may come across this while using the search function...


the batteries were charged, but couldn't take a load..Replaced both batteries, started great.

I noticed a day after getting it back the blackout lights were left on

So, what I think happened...It was at the shop getting the cooler installed, some guy decided to play around with the blackout lights, left them on, which exposed an already weak battery.

I think the rest of the story they fed me about testing for voltage at the starter was simply BS.

 

[FAB454]

"hay check this truck out! cool man." "no boss, I didn't touch anything, the starter must be bad"
glad you got it strait

 

[MrSchaeferPants]

Now have them refund the cost of new batteries

I will never take my vehicle to a shop again. 100% of the time I have ever taken anything to a shop, it has gone FUBAR. Never again. IMO, most shops have complete morons working for them, and the shop foreman or owner doesn't know the difference.

 

[FAB454]

Now have them refund the cost of new batteries

I will never take my vehicle to a shop again. 100% of the time I have ever taken anything to a shop, it has gone FUBAR. Never again. IMO, most shops have complete morons working for them, and the shop foreman or owner doesn't know the difference.

Careful, you got several mechanics that are members

 

[MrSchaeferPants]

And if they're members here I imagine they're good ones. Every shop I speak of I can list. I'm 100% sure they don't work there

Sure "Most" is an exaggeration, but I'm not exaggerating when I say 100% of the time I've taken a vehicle in I was dissapointed, screwed, or had to redo the work myself. This covers multiple vehicles, types of work, and different shops. In fact I'm in a battle right now with the stealership my wife's truck came from, cause they won't fix the dang upper ball joints that are obviously F'd. Warranty thing, and they need to be pressed out, otherwise I'd do it myself. Fighting with them has now worn out two perfectly good tires. And it's not them honoring their warranty, they look me dead in the face and say nothing's wrong with them. I'm like DAFAQ? Are you a mechanic? Or are you blind?

S'ok, it'll worble out the hole, and they'll replace the whole damn thing soon enough. I'll make sure of it.

 

[diesel4me]

I hate taking my vehicles to a shop to get something fixed,but I do when I know the repair is "over my head" or ability...I'd likely screw things up worse trying to do it myself...but being broke,I tend to do as many repairs myself as possible..till I reach my limits..lately I've found myself relying more and more on a friend who runs a shop to fix things I might be able to do myself,but no longer feel "up" to doing...I'd rather not injure myself or screw things up because I have never done a certain repair before..to me its worth paying him to do it instead...

Its very easy for even a very qualified certified tech to get into trouble on many of todays vehicles..I trust my friend a lot,but I've seen him have "bad days" when he screwed something up ,sometimes due to being distracted by the phone,a customer who hangs around and waits,makes him rush,etc..and there are always busted off and stripped bolts sometimes ,no matter how careful you are to heat them up first,etc...

One day he pulled a head off a 3.1 chevy V6,and failed to notice the intake and exhaust push rods were slightly different lengths,the owner kept calling him every 30 minutes demanding to know "is it DONE yet".and when he got it all together and went to fire it up,the #1 cylinder had the intake valve hit the piston and bend it!....after he realized why that happened,he was naturally very pissed--now he had to pull it all apart again,but a valve,push rods,another head gasket set out of HIS pocket,all because of a impatient owner who wouldnt leave him alone long enough to really concentrate on his work!...

Another customer with a Quad 4 GM engine that needed a water pump did the same thing to him...those water pumps run off the timing chain,and really SUCK to get and and replace correctly...in his haste to get it done,the timing chain somehow moved one tooth off,and it bent valves when it was started...the owner had overheated the engine so bad he told him it "might be junk already" and replacing the water pump might be a waste of money,so luckily the owner decided to scrap the car,instead of having a used engine installed..he told him it was a waste of 300 bucks to put the pump in,but the owner said "go ahead,see if it fixes it"....

Not to stick up for shoddy work thats often done by monkees at some garages with little or no experience,but its all too easy for even good mechanics to screw something up in a hurry on newer cars,or old ones they aren't familiar with... ..even at the best of garages...often time limits place too much pressure on the mechanics,so to increase profits they cut corners or do shoddy work..and the fact they dont make the 80 bucks an hour they charge at the dealerships dont help either!...

 

[MrSchaeferPants]

We all make mistakes, professional or at home in our garages. It happens, nothing wrong with it. But not owning up to it, is the problem. I'm the same, I take a vehicle in for two reasons only, well ok maybe three. It's above my head (and when they F'd it up I just learn and do it anyway), I don't have special tools (like a press), or don't have time/not at home with my tools (one visit to MD years ago).

I was a mechanic for 7 years. I made some small mistakes, and one big one, caught an engine harness on fire.. not my fault, but technically it was. I went to my shop foreman and said I F'd up, this is above my head. And I was taught, learned, and fixed it. But never would I allow a vehicle to roll knowing something is F'd up, I'll take the azz chewing about it not being done in schedule over endangering someone's life due to shotty work.

This was military, not civillian. I know what you mean about new vehicles and technical work over nut and bolt jobs, but even still the newer HEMITTS, MRAPS and MATVs, STRYKERS are very computer controlled. Luckily they have on board diagnostics or at least throw codes on a screen.

In the case of my wife's truck, it's a ball joint, not a sensor. I'm not complaining about a ripped boot, damn thing is about to completely separate and cause an accident. It's not like our trucks where I can drive on a bad ball joint for two years and be ok Hers death wobbles like you wouldn't believe, and it's wearing out other front end components, and the tires are gunna pop anytime now from being so worn on the inside. I about flipped a lid when the 'mechanic' told me nothing was wrong with it. Luckily his boss wasn't there, I'd have asked him if he would like for me to show his tech how to troubleshoot a bad balljoint, cause obviously he has no idea how to tell the difference. I told him to go back to plugging in a computer to tell you an air filter needs to be changed, and give me that older gentleman over there to check out the truck That didn't go over well...


Sorry, didn't mean to hijack fired up. She's contacting Sears (whom the shop went through for the alignment) to see if they actually did one, or even brought the truck in to begin with, and if they did, if they told them how it's pointless to do an alignment with the balljoints the way they are.