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Making AN fittings for a TH400 is a PITA.

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Like the title above said, it's a pain if you are not proficient with a manual lathe. It took me forever to make two fittings with my spare time at work. I’m quite sure somebody with experience could do these fitting in an hour.
From left to right:
6AN to 3/8 N.P.T., my two custom fittings-6AN to 1/4 National Straight Pipe(or something similar, I can't remember what it's called), and the factory Th400 fitting-5/16 inverted flare to 1/4 National Straight Pipe.


UPDate-9/12/2008. You could buy the same fittings now at Sweet Performance Products.

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Here are my rejects.
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Why didn't you just buy them. IIRC Earls sells those fittings along with the special fitting for P/S gear box's.
 
Why didn't you just buy them. IIRC Earls sells those fittings along with the special fitting for P/S gear box's.
Do you mean AN to inverted flare? Yeah, I could of bought those, but it's a smaller though hole for the 5/16 inverted flare. I didn't want to go in the junk yard looking for a special 3/8 Cadillac inverted flare even though I do have the 5/16 fittings at radiator. When I upgrade my radiator, I'll up-grade the cooler also, but for now my copper 4 core seem adequate for now.
Plus, if I buy the AN to inverted flare, I would have to use the factory fittings also. That would mean more potential to leaks. My fittings screw straight into the transmission.
 
for the record, there is both NPT and NPST... I deal in straight thread quite often at work, in both U.S and Metric...

Tho I run the Russell Endura series stuff on my truck,

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you can get any variation you can think of, in a variety of materials from McMaster-Carr. That's where we buy all our work stuff...

I kinda dig the Earl's black Ano-Tuff stuff, but not sure about running it with steelbraided, might look goofy...

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Anways, nice ingenuity! :D :bow:
 
It's always fun to try and make stuff from scratch. Some of the best work I've seen here in many cases has been home brewed.

Nice job. :thumb:
 
Do you mean AN to inverted flare? Yeah, I could of bought those, but it's a smaller though hole for the 5/16 inverted flare. I didn't want to go in the junk yard looking for a special 3/8 Cadillac inverted flare even though I do have the 5/16 fittings at radiator. When I upgrade my radiator, I'll up-grade the cooler also, but for now my copper 4 core seem adequate for now.
Plus, if I buy the AN to inverted flare, I would have to use the factory fittings also. That would mean more potential to leaks. My fittings screw straight into the transmission.

The fittings you can buy are exactly like the 2 in the middle of your first pic. They screw directly into the tranny case and they are 37* AN for a hose fitting to attach to.
 
The fittings you can buy are exactly like the 2 in the middle of your first pic. They screw directly into the tranny case and they are 37* AN for a hose fitting to attach to.
Word. Ive had 2 before, then I caught the tranny on fire and went to a manual.
 
The fittings you can buy are exactly like the 2 in the middle of your first pic. They screw directly into the tranny case and they are 37* AN for a hose fitting to attach to.
Part Number please, because I've looked and could only find a fitting for a 6AN to 1/4 National Pipe Taper, which would work for all other transmission than the TH400. I've look in Mc Master Carr and could not find what I am looking for. They make fittings for NPT, British Pipe taper, British Straight Pipe, O-ring and bunch of other fittings but not for the bastard child National Pipe Straight Thread.
 
Part Number please, because I've looked and could only find a fitting for a 6AN to 1/4 National Pipe Taper, which would work for all other transmission than the TH400. I've look in Mc Master Carr and could not find what I am looking for. They make fittings for NPT, British Pipe taper, British Straight Pipe, O-ring and bunch of other fittings but not for the bastard child National Pipe Straight Thread.

I forget what the tranny side thread is but if you have that i'll get you the part number. The fitting is an AN to O-ring fitting.
 
Turbo 400 is 1/4 NPT, national pipe thread, and for the record, it's not national pipe taper... same as a 700r4..

oh, and McMaster does sell NPST to AN, tho thats not what you need... Just bought some for a ZF tranny drain as a matter of fact...
 
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You know what, I find this argument too funny. I think I've made a fool of myself. I have done some research before I made these fittings. The fitting I have pulled from my TH400 had an outside major diameter of .520"on the thread, so it was not an O-ring fitting. O-ring fittings follow the UNF thread sizes, therefor a fitting with a .520" OD diameter is not an O-ring fitting because it falls in-between 1/2"(.500") and 9/16" (.5625").
The closest size it could be is 1/4 pipe. Now I'm not going to get into the funky reasons how something measures over 1/2" is going to be a 1/4" pipe. (The size is measured on the inside but not quite exact.) Pipe thread is usually tapered because that is how it's sealed. NPT from what I have read is tapered. The fitting I've pulled does not have a taper. It's straight, and it's seal by a copper crush washer between the case and the backside of the hex. WTF is this? I asked.
So the search started, first I went to place that sold JIC fitting, hoses and XRP AN fittings. I asked the guy about the straight pipe and he told me the only thing that it could be British straight pipe. I think to myself "I believe the first TH400 was in Jaguars so it could a tooling carry over when GM finally put the TH400 in their own cars" Now don't quote me on that because I'm wrong. I took home a 1/4 British straight pipe to JIC. I screwed it into my transmission and the fitting wouldn't go in. WTF is going on here?
As it would turn out the British decided to do things different from us Yanks because British pipe thread, tapered and straight, have a 55 degree thread angle and different tread count. The TH400 fitting had a thread count of 18 TPI. The British fitting I believe was 19 TPI. WTF is going on here?
Now there is a thread on Pirate 4x4 that talks about these funky TH400 fittings, and I would bring the thread up right this minute but I not a paying member therefor I can’t do searches. WTF am I going to do now?
So at work, I started looking in the Mc Master Carr catalog and the Machinist handbook to find out what is going on, I didn’t find any fittings in the Mc Master Carr catalog but did find some information. Maybe I could find the fitting if I had more time since I was searching during lunch and I was busy eating lunch at the time. I found the specification for National Pipe Straight Thread or something similar in the hand book and made my own fittings. I got home and posted a picture on CK5 and got ridiculed. WTF have I been doing all this damn time.
I did a search on the internet and got as usual a lot of useless information but sees a lot of companies sell AN kits for the TH400. Upon closer examination, these kits come with two 6AN to 1/4 NPT. Now remember I said NPT usually means taper? So why are these companies selling kits with a taper to transmission that takes straight fittings? Well, remember I was doing research from the Machinist Handbook? Well, the handbook gets into detail what these threads are used for. The handbook basically said the straight thread is only good for low pressure application and since it is low pressure, you could thread a taper into the straight pipe, just use a sealant. NPT is the preferred way to do pipe. AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!! WTF OVER!
 
wow..

ive been buying these little jewels for the buggy as of late.. they add up damn fast, i am in no mood to buy them for the tranny too. damn though you gave me ideas..


ah


nope..


going with simple hardline.. 13 bucks for two new lines from the parts store and 30 minutes to get them in and that including the half mile trip to buy them...
 
You know what, I find this argument too funny. I think I've made a fool of myself. I have done some research before I made these fittings. The fitting I have pulled from my TH400 had an outside major diameter of .520"on the thread, so it was not an O-ring fitting. O-ring fittings follow the UNF thread sizes, therefor a fitting with a .520" OD diameter is not an O-ring fitting because it falls in-between 1/2"(.500") and 9/16" (.5625").
The closest size it could be is 1/4 pipe. Now I'm not going to get into the funky reasons how something measures over 1/2" is going to be a 1/4" pipe. (The size is measured on the inside but not quite exact.) Pipe thread is usually tapered because that is how it's sealed. NPT from what I have read is tapered. The fitting I've pulled does not have a taper. It's straight, and it's seal by a copper crush washer between the case and the backside of the hex. WTF is this? I asked.
So the search started, first I went to place that sold JIC fitting, hoses and XRP AN fittings. I asked the guy about the straight pipe and he told me the only thing that it could be British straight pipe. I think to myself "I believe the first TH400 was in Jaguars so it could a tooling carry over when GM finally put the TH400 in their own cars" Now don't quote me on that because I'm wrong. I took home a 1/4 British straight pipe to JIC. I screwed it into my transmission and the fitting wouldn't go in. WTF is going on here?
As it would turn out the British decided to do things different from us Yanks because British pipe thread, tapered and straight, have a 55 degree thread angle and different tread count. The TH400 fitting had a thread count of 18 TPI. The British fitting I believe was 19 TPI. WTF is going on here?
Now there is a thread on Pirate 4x4 that talks about these funky TH400 fittings, and I would bring the thread up right this minute but I not a paying member therefor I can’t do searches. WTF am I going to do now?
So at work, I started looking in the Mc Master Carr catalog and the Machinist handbook to find out what is going on, I didn’t find any fittings in the Mc Master Carr catalog but did find some information. Maybe I could find the fitting if I had more time since I was searching during lunch and I was busy eating lunch at the time. I found the specification for National Pipe Straight Thread or something similar in the hand book and made my own fittings. I got home and posted a picture on CK5 and got ridiculed. WTF have I been doing all this damn time.
I did a search on the internet and got as usual a lot of useless information but sees a lot of companies sell AN kits for the TH400. Upon closer examination, these kits come with two 6AN to 1/4 NPT. Now remember I said NPT usually means taper? So why are these companies selling kits with a taper to transmission that takes straight fittings? Well, remember I was doing research from the Machinist Handbook? Well, the handbook gets into detail what these threads are used for. The handbook basically said the straight thread is only good for low pressure application and since it is low pressure, you could thread a taper into the straight pipe, just use a sealant. NPT is the preferred way to do pipe. AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!! WTF OVER!

I wasn't arguing, just trying to help..

I'm just going off what it says on TCI http://www.tciauto.com/Products/TechInfo/cooler_fittings.asp
and my own experience with the 700r4... thus the pic I posted..

NPT is always a taper, I was just pointing out it stands for national pipe thread, not taper... Thus why theres also NPST...

One day I hope to have the opportunity to do some metal lathe work. Looks like fun and you can make some pretty cool stuff...
 
So I'm confused, is there a fitting to adapt the cooler lines to JIC or not? :confused:

It seems like what I've read here and based on ryoken's link, the 1/4NPT fitting will thread in and can work with thread sealer, but it is not technically the correct fitting?

Here are the threads I found on Pirate:
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=590148&highlight=400+fittings
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=594166&highlight=th400+cooler+fittings

I doubt you are going to find "correct fitting" since the taper would technically work. Believe me because I've looked.

BTW, those are the treads from Pirate I was talking about. Thanks for bring those up.
 
I had 5 fittings made up for me at my local hydraulic shop for the fuel system on my diesel. they were Metric to JIC I had him make. Too the dude an hour to make 5 fittings.........but what he did was take plugs of both end that you want braze or silver solder (I can't recall which he did) them together end to end on the lathe then drill straight through. slick slick easy as pie. rather than trying to cut the whole thing from round stock.
 

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