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Modern Oil Consumption and Warranties

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The wife has an '18 Honda Pilot with 32,000 miles. I hate it (really hate it), she loves it.

I hadn't been marking the mileage between changes...but prolly will now. I've just been going by the oil life meter.

Anyway, change before last it used a quart. Last change was Tuesday and it was down 1-1/2 quarts. I personally find that very unacceptable...but reading around the interwebs Honda seems to be dodgy and claiming 1qt per 1k is considered in-spec and normal.

Thoughts?
 
Seems like a lot to me. Mrs Bent has a 05 Toyota Sienna that doesn’t use that much between changes at 170k
 
Issue with the Honda will be that they want full service records showing you were diligent. @Justin V just had himself a go around with Kia over the same thing
 
I read a story awhile back that Honda was having some issues like that... I though there was even a class action lawsuit.....
 
Yeah, I doubt they're gonna like my preferred format... :haha:

I would also hazard a guess that 99% of Pilots don't get home oil changes.

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That is for the 1.5l. it involves the direct injection engines. They wash the cylinder down at idle rings wear out.
Not familiar with pilot injection method.
Ford and Toyota are 2 mfg I am aware of using direct and port injection to over come wash down
 
How long is the drivetrain warranty? You have to be careful because the last new Honda we bought (2002, long time ago) only had 36k on the warranty so you may not have much time to prove your case.

If you have a significant amount of warranty to go I’d start having the dealer change the oil and witness / document any consumption.

I worked at a Toyota dealership for a long time, having them acknowledge and fix a consumption issue is rare but not impossible. You’ll just need your ducks in a row and likely (nicely) work your case up the chain until you probably meet with the district rep.
 
beags86 said:
I read a story awhile back that Honda was having some issues like that... I though there was even a class action lawsuit.....
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I *think* what I got out of my research is that's where Honda claims a quart per thousand miles is A-OK. :rolleyes:
 
Burning a qt seems to be pretty typical with modern vehicles. It’s all over the Chevy, dodge, Ford forums. Recirculating the crankcase vapors and burning off the oil that’s in those to help with emissions.
 
centexk5 said:
Burning a qt seems to be pretty typical with modern vehicles. It’s all over the Chevy, dodge, Ford forums. Recirculating the crankcase vapors and burning off the oil that’s in those to help with emissions.
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I guess I'd believe that - I mean this POS Honda burns 0-W20 oil in the name of fuel efficiency. 0W...who'd have ever thought...

By contrast my Frontier takes 5W-20 and is not fuel efficient at all. That engine design (4.0l V6) is like 15 years old. It does not use any oil.

My diesel Burb takes about a quart per 2k, but it has 187,000 on it and is 26 years old.
 
This post made me think of the latest Roadkill episode. Frieburger and Finnegan drive a sbc swapped Toyota Hilux from Georgia to Bradenton Fla. In less than 30 miles they discovered just how bad oil consumption was. 9 miles per quart. They used 53 quarts to drive the 600 ish mile to Bradenton. Engine didn't leak a drop...lol

They'd be driving along and think to themselves "hey the smoke is clearing up!". Two seconds later they'd look at the oil pressure gauge and realize the engine was just out of oil, and oil pressure. :haha:
 
Dodge fca has the same 1qt per 1000 miles, although we only have one engine that actually burns it. I think there will be a recall on it soon.
 
Yeah that qt per 1000mi thing is a national standard limit type thing.
Y buddy went through this with an 08 Chrysler town n country.

He went past the dealer and contacted Chrysler directly and they said the government allows vehicles to use that much.
Another buddy went through it with a car with one of the sideways mounted 5.3's.
 
longbedder said:
I guess I'd believe that - I mean this POS Honda burns 0-W20 oil in the name of fuel efficiency. 0W...who'd have ever thought...

By contrast my Frontier takes 5W-20 and is not fuel efficient at all. That engine design (4.0l V6) is like 15 years old. It does not use any oil.

My diesel Burb takes about a quart per 2k, but it has 187,000 on it and is 26 years old.
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My 14 and 20 Silverado’s take 0w-20 as does my 392 charger. All three use about a qt between changes. My 03 350z and 2000 4Runner never used a drop but they ran 5w and 10w. My 2011 ecocrap f150 ran 5w but would burn a qt.
 
GM's standard is a quart in 2,000. GM has a standing bulletin about it across all engine families. Proving that consumption is going to need to happen at a dealer. Starting out with them changing the oil and having the owner bring it back in 500 miles to recheck and record the level. Typically if the consumption exceeds the guideline we replace the pistons and rings only. No work to the block. In almost 12 years at the dealership, we've done one 5.3 and one 4-banger in an Equinox.

Direct injection may be a factor, but I think a good chunk of the problem comes down to the oil life monitor system. It's allowing the general public to go in my opinion way too far between oil changes. Look at it this way, if a quart in 2,000 miles is considered normal and you go 8,000 miles between an oil change, you have the potential of being 4 quarts down on oil. If the engine oil holds 5 quarts it is going to be low enough to starve for lubrication. Pretty easy for me to suggest changing oil a little more frequently than going by the oil life monitor.
 
Our 2019 Yukon's are 5k on the oil life monitor. Most of ours are doing ok, still in the safe margin at service, 0 w20. The Yukon's assigned to security are below safe mark when they come in. We are pushing the officers to check them when the vehicle is fueled, as they get older they will use more. I have 2 2012 GMC 3/4 ton 4x4 Security had new 200k miles on each the hour meters show over 10k., these use oil too.
All of our 2018 GMC Terrains they are turbo charged use oil, they are 5w20.
Just added 2020 Honda Clarity hybrids to our fleet only 1 has had he oil changed, was in safe range. These are electric only for a period then switch to gas. Most of them do short trips, same with our Volts.
 
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