The Jimmy went to the shop today to get the rear main seal replaced. I just don't have the time before our family vacation to Colorado. We are supposed to be leaving next Saturday (27th). Towing the camper to Buena Vista CO and doing some light wheeling in the mountains. My g/f and kids have never seen mountains. Well, just got a call from the shop... ...when they dropped the pan to replace the rear main, they found part of a lifter. My day just took a turn for the worse. /forums/images/icons/frown.gif /forums/images/icons/frown.gif /forums/images/icons/frown.gif **update** well, the engine is toast. Apparently the roller tip rockers that I was told didn't need guide plates, did! So, they have been walking on the valves and sending everything to hell. I have 2 bent pushrods, several damaged valves, damaged rockers, mangled spring retainers, and enough metal throughout all the bearings to make life MORE than interesting. Man this sucks. Luckily I just bought that K20 with a 15K mile motor. The plan is to take it to the shop tomorrow and have them swap in the motor from the K20. Then I will tow the K20 back home with the dead engine in the back. I will spend time over the next several months tearing the engine the rest of the way down and then building it back up again. This engine was only 7 months old with less than 6,000 miles on it. Sometimes life really sucks. And today is one of those days. /forums/images/icons/frown.gif **update with pics** Well, got the rig towed home last night. The guy said he had never carried anything this big on his flatbed. He was very nervous. Pic 1 Pic 2 Here are some pics of the engine damage. [This is a close up of cylinder #2 area. The missing lifter is the one found in the pan. You can see how bent the other pushrod is. Here is a better shot of the whole engine. You can visibly see the whacked position of some of the rockers as well as the damage to the spring retainers. From first glance, I have several bent pushrods, a couple of bad lifters, a few damaged valves, and practically all the spring retainers have damage. There are also at least two bent rocker studs. i haven't had a chance to get into the cam yet.