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Need a bit of 4L80E year interchangeability info...

shiner2001

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Well, the 6.0L LQ4 has arrived from BD Turnkey Engines, so the next step is to track down my transmission. I am definitely upgrading from the TH400 to the 4L80E in order to get the overdrive, but am curious about exactly what years of transmission I might need to be looking for. The engine is an 07 and is still setup to control the electronic trans, as per my instructions to the programmer. Will it throw the computer for a loop if the trans is not an 07 or at least from a specific set of years? I know there are changes from some years to others within the "same" model of trans, but I have no idea what will work with my 07. Any help yall can throw my way will be greatly appreciated!!
 
I've I'm... Had a few of these transmission.


There is several differences between the two. Most would not stop you from using a 97 and down version. The most noticeable differences between the cases are the cooler line location. Other differences are inside the case, shafts, solinoid changes, planets, sprays, lube Circuit, bla bla. Most people seem to feel the later ones are superior . There is also a tail shaft difference as well, ill add more this below.


If I were you, I would get a 99 and up trans, It has the bolt for the 12 o'clock position. It also assures you get the correct shift modul and plug style although most trans shops selling a trans will not have this included as it would not come in with their cores.

Stock remains around here are 895 ish, the only upgrades for a stocker I would ask for : upgraded boost valve, transgo stage 2 shift kit, a rear anti walk bushing at a minimum. if your feeling fancy add a in pan trans gauge and lubeseal reusable gasket. the return lines on these stock also use stupid clips, and the threaded in adaptors are different from one another and earlier year trans. There a linking build thread on the last few pages to a source that sells adaptors to put the lines to AN -6 .



If I were you I would try to find the 99 and up trans for a core/ new unit. then use a pass drop 241with 32 spline with a vss set up. You will also want the adapter.


The stock truck set up would have had a 4x4 control modual, this is a whole separate pile of crap/wires/box in the cab ect. If deals with when the truck is in 4 low. If you are starting fresh I would ask him to delete any of that from your tune or hopefully your tune is for a 2 wd truck with this not as a factor.

You may need to extend your vss wiring if so, no biggie. Your vss plug may not be correct for you t-case sensor if so gm sells the one for all of the t cases, it was around 20 bucks. Just go in with what ever year t case and vehicle you got the t-case from.


If you have not already got motor mount adaptor brackets btw several people sell them online, uses your current motor mount style and is a 3/8 plate that outs the motor where it should be as the block has th bolts a few inches off from your current motor.

Russel also makes the line adapters that will clip right on the factory fuel rail on the motor. These motors also had rail that had returns and other years that had a returnless system that was regulated at the pump assembly. postk up what you have.


Summit sells adaptors for sending units to use your stock gauges as well.m,

I'm rambling, I'm tires are hell too nd this ipad is killing my typing,m But post upon you have questions, plenty here have already done this swap.


-shane
 
Very good info, thanks a ton for taking the time to include it all.

My stock 90 T-case should work ok since that year used an electronic speedo, correct?
 
Very good info, thanks a ton for taking the time to include it all.

My stock 90 T-case should work ok since that year used an electronic speedo, correct?


Correct, just splice in your vss plug you currently have. They are both 40 tooth reluctors.


Ignore the spelling, was tired and this iPad and my fingers get along less and less as I doze off:D
 
Correct, just splice in your vss plug you currently have. They are both 40 tooth reluctors.


Ignore the spelling, was tired and this iPad and my fingers get along less and less as I doze off:D

Haha, you made it a lot farther than I would have typing on a tablet!

As far as the engine wiring and tune, it comes set up from BD Turnkey with what is supposed to be a four wire hookup to run, plus the fuel delivery, gauges and cruise control.

As far as the trans, I kind of had in mind shopping the junkyards and just plopping in one out a wreck without a rebuild. If I can find a low mileage one, I wouldn't mind going that route. Thoughts?
 
Haha, you made it a lot farther than I would have typing on a tablet!

As far as the engine wiring and tune, it comes set up from BD Turnkey with what is supposed to be a four wire hookup to run, plus the fuel delivery, gauges and cruise control.

As far as the trans, I kind of had in mind shopping the junkyards and just plopping in one out a wreck without a rebuild. If I can find a low mileage one, I wouldn't mind going that route. Thoughts?


That's your gamble, most people want up to a few hundred for just a core on these. Seems 100-120 k miles is a average lifespan before a rebuild.ive had one that went to 190k, and one that went less than 2 miles but my driving may have been a factor on the later.. If you could find a good one for 400-550 I suppose I'd try it. Yards here pull the newer drivetrains usually and they want as much as 800 for one.


You can use car-part.com to search for one. Gm gets about 1800 plus core. Iirc and I believe that was wholesale I paid. Price will vary.

For some reading and info jakes performancetransmissions seems popular with the 4l80 crowds.

All that aside I would not use the factory tq converter.
 
Ok so here's the question that's been kicking around in my head. I've been waiting on my motor to show and thought that instead of going with the factory transfer case, I'll go with a doubler. Can I do that? Like a 241/205 or 205/203???
 
Ok so here's the question that's been kicking around in my head. I've been waiting on my motor to show and thought that instead of going with the factory transfer case, I'll go with a doubler. Can I do that? Like a 241/205 or 205/203???

That one is way beyond my scope of knowledge. Not idea about what combos work for something like that. I'm sure someone here can tell you all you'll need to know, though.
 
Ok so here's the question that's been kicking around in my head. I've been waiting on my motor to show and thought that instead of going with the factory transfer case, I'll go with a doubler. Can I do that? Like a 241/205 or 205/203???

yes on the round pattern adaptor for a 241, and advanced adaptors sells a 205 mount for a 4l80. you will have to call them as you may need a 1 inch spacer they sell depending on the output shaft. In short.. with money, you can make any of this happen:D
 
First you need to know if you have an E38 computer with a separate tranny computer. If so you will need and 07 or newer tranny to go 4l80E. The Gen IV has another sensor in it then the GEN III did. They won't shift right if you get the wrong one. This was the info I found doing my research before I did my 07 5.3/ 4L65E swap.
 
First you need to know if you have an E38 computer with a separate tranny computer. If so you will need and 07 or newer tranny to go 4l80E. The Gen IV has another sensor in it then the GEN III did. They won't shift right if you get the wrong one. This was the info I found doing my research before I did my 07 5.3/ 4L65E swap.

From talking to the folks at Phoenix Transmission, I think we've decided I need an 04-up transmission. When you refer to a separate tranny computer, do you mean a separate, physical "box?" The engine is here, but I haven't picked it up from the fab shop where I had it delivered yet. I won't be able to go back and check it out until either Thursday or after next week, but I'll look and see what I can figure out about the computer. I do know that it's already been programmed and tuned, set up for my specific gear ratio and tire size.
 
Yes the GEN VI has a separate computer box for the tranny.
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In the pic its the small square one with the big blue connector.

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Gotcha. I'll have to check mine out and see what's what. It's still wrapped and crated. I know it's an 07 if that tells us anything. More details to come when I actually get it in my shop.
 
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