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Need some quick help on getting timing close....

Deuling

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1st, I have no timing mark on the cover, nor tools to find TDC etc.

I do have a vac gauge. Im going to dunes thursday and dont have time to do it right. But how can I get the best tune?

408 small block, summit 1103 cam, edelbrock 1406 carb.

I plan to do things the right way after this weekend and get a real TDC mark and time it right. But what can I do with a vac gauge that you guys know of. Ive read a few things on it. But want to see if there are any good tips.
 
Setting the timing with a vacuum gauge isn't really a great method--where the timing is set to make the highest & steadiest reading on the gauge sitting there idling,probably wont be "right" for driving loads..you'll likely get detonation and pre-ignition pinging,and have to back off the timing..

You could set the timing "by ear" and probably get the same results...advance it till it either pings slightly under a good load and then back it off just enough to eliminate any pre-ignition or pinging,and then see how it cranks with the engine at normal operating temprature,it may need to be backed off slightly more to let it crank over without binding..

(I've had a few small blocks that ran sweet with the timing over-advanced--but to get them to start after they warmed up was hard--one truck I wired a toggle switch to the coil so I could get it cranking over fast with no spark,then flip the switch,to avoid hard cranking and kick back--many racers use this trick too)..

Vacuum is afftected by carb adjustment ,engine condition and timing,and when you change one setting you'll often have to re-adjust another...

If you have a lumpy cam,the vacuum gauge wont be much help,the needle will dance up & down, and not give accurate readings..

I've done some reading on this subject and almost every article says in the long run its best to use a timing light to set the timing,not a vacuum gauge--I tend to agree,but I've had a few engines that ran much better setting the timing "by ear",maybe the balancer had slipped on the rubber and made the timing marks innacurate,or my "mods" to the carb and distributor's mechanical advance weights made it run better with the timing advanced past stock settings--or perhaps the timing chain had some slack?....:dunno:

Probably be best to get a good balancer with the right markings or a degree wheel (or tape) and set the balancer up so a timing light can be used..
 
I know it's not the right way. But I'm leaving for the dunes soon and don't have time to do it right. I will when I get back.

It's always been set by ear. Just wondered if there were a few tips I could try before. Tonight is the only chance I have to mess with it. Otherwise it's pack the thing up and leaving for camping.

If not no big deal, it's been this way for years, just wouldn't mind getting a bit more power out of it.
 
Eh,I've set the timing by ear on many of my engines,even AFTER I used a timing light...

I would advance it past stock settings a little at a time and see if it improved it any,and backed it back off if it started pinging or binding up when you go to start it "hot"..

The timing may well need to be tweaked anyway once you get there--the altitude and loads will be different than the trip up there on the highway..so if you set it "dead on" at home,it might not be right for the conditions at the dunes..
 
I just want it to be less stinky. I know it needs jetting. But want to mess with the AF mixture screws.

Some places say turning them in will make it more rich, some say it's opposite.
 
Depends on which carb your using...some Holley's had mixture screws that lean out the mixture when you "unscrew" them,just the opposite of most other carbs...some also have adjustible air bleed screws that add or deny air rather than change the fuel flow..
 
I always set my c10 by ear. If it's running fine right now then I wouldn't mess with it this close to going on a trip. Unless it's wayyyy off you're not going to pick up much power from just timing.
 
I always set my c10 by ear. If it's running fine right now then I wouldn't mess with it this close to going on a trip. Unless it's wayyyy off you're not going to pick up much power from just timing.



After this weekend I want to bring it to a shop, have the carb jetted and get it all tuned in. Carbs are not really something I care to mess with as far as tuning. I have rebuilt my carb before.


Just was looking to see if anybody had some quick tips to make it a little less rich. Its very stinky and the gf doesn't like that lol.
 
Just was looking to see if anybody had some quick tips to make it a little less rich. Its very stinky and the gf doesn't like that lol.
I hear that. I never could get my 383 timed just right so it was always stinky. One of the many reasons I went for the LS swap. :thumb:
 
Timing isn't gonna fix the stink. That's jetting and carb adjustment.

I do it by ear most times so kind of hard to explain. Sorry I'm no help.
 
The vacuum gauge is much more useful for adjusting the carb than the timing,in my opinion..

Turn the idle speed down low,then watch the gauge as you adjust each mixture screw...go for the setting that gives the highest and steadiest readings..re-set the idle speed...

You may never get rid of the "stink",it's the nature of old small blocks and carbs to give that overly rich smell even when they are tuned pretty darn good..you could put a catalitic converter on it,but then you'd smell rotten eggs..:rolleyes:
 
Does it smell rich idling, or all the time? Those edelbrocks are stupid easy to jet yourself, and the charts in the book make for very little guess work.

As far as the timing, setting it by ear on a performance motor that will be driven like a performance motor, is asking for trouble
 
Does it smell rich idling, or all the time? Those edelbrocks are stupid easy to jet yourself, and the charts in the book make for very little guess work.

As far as the timing, setting it by ear on a performance motor that will be driven like a performance motor, is asking for trouble

X2 on the timing.

I've set plenty by ear, but on my more high performance stuff I set it by ear and tweak with a light.
 
You'll change ring and pinions and fabricate custom suspension parts but you don't want to mess with a carb?

Is the stink at idle or cruise?

If at idle use the vacuum gauge to tune the idle scews for maximum vacuum, just be sure to maintain the idle rpm while doing it because more RPM with give more vacuum too. Although the rpm climbing is a sign you are probable going in the right direction, if the idle starts to drop go the other way.

And if you really want more power ditch the Eddy carb! ha ha

As for timing, advance until it starts to ping under load and back it off a hair until it doesn't, that is where it will make the most power. I like to use a light for consistency in my testing but it is not required because it doesn't really matter what the number is to get max performance. Its just hard to know how much you moved it is all. It doesn't take much, 2 degrees at a time is hard to do without measuring because thats a very minor adjustment at the dizzy.
 
Could have sworn those mixture adjustment screws were only idle air adjustment, metering air flow. Once the throttle is past a certain point and vacuum starts dropping, tension from springs on the metering rods take over.

If it smells strong while driving put a cat on it or lean out the off idle metering rods/jets.
 
Could have sworn those mixture adjustment screws were only idle air adjustment, metering air flow.

You may be correct there, I don't know, I just assumed it had idle mixture screws, I know a Holley carb in and out but I don't run Eddy carbs. I really like Eddy intakes, but I don't like their carbs.
 
mixture screws are strictly for the idle circuit... anything above 1000 rpm's, they mean nothing....


how do your plugs look Adam?
 
After this weekend I want to bring it to a shop, have the carb jetted and get it all tuned in. Carbs are not really something I care to mess with as far as tuning. I have rebuilt my carb before.


Just was looking to see if anybody had some quick tips to make it a little less rich. Its very stinky and the gf doesn't like that lol.

This sounds like spending money for nothing. I had shops look at carbs by me a couple times that were supposed to be "experts". Nothing ever made a difference. Now my camaro is tuned from an o2 sensor, vacuum, and timing. It's no where near perfect, but I know how it got there and how to change it. If you weld in an o2 bung and get the right o2 sensor (or a voltmeter) you can chase after your stink.
 

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