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I'm not doing any kind of a build, and what I am running is stable, so I'm not in the market for drive shaft parts except for normal wear and tear.

But, while doing a search for something else, I ran across this site. I never heard of it, and don't remember hearing it mentioned around here.
In just clicking around, I saw some stuff that looked like folks here could use.

Not sure of the prices, since I don't buy these type of parts, but some of them look hard to find and/or unique.

You might want to click around and see what they have.

http://www.northerndrivetrain.com/

I happened to see this. I'm sure that its available other places, but many years ago, when I snapped the little pin off the inside nut, I had a heck of a time finding one.
Finally punched the remainder and drilled and tapped it for a hardened screw if I remember right.

http://www.northerndrivetrain.com/product/SPI-28068X.html
 
They have been around for a while. As for the locking nuts and ring, I bought my last set of Spicer's from owronglleys auto parts.
 
Also if you break the little pin. Punch it so there is some still in the ring. Tack weld the back. Grind smooth, done several like that
 
You know, I agree with all the gripes about most of the car parts places. But, even with all the problems concerning parts monkeys that don't know one part from another, computer lookups that deliver wrong results, and shoddy parts, trust me you folks are living an a golden age for replacement parts.
When I was coming along, trying to keep my '60 CJ5 repaired from all the terrible things I did to it, I had 4 sources of parts.
The dealer, who had more stuff than you would expect, mainly due to the fact that Jeeps had not changed all that much.
The local NAPA store, which had the basics, wheel bearings, brake parts, things like that and had a guy behind the counter who really knew his stuff.
Local junkyards, which were a far cry from what we have today.
And, The Warshawsky Company.
I'm not old enough to have been around when it was called that, I knew it as J.C. Whitney.

What a huge source of trash and treasures! You folk have no idea unless you were buying parts in those days.
Lots of the stuff was fantastic. I bought an idler gear conversion for my Dana Spicer model 18 transfer case that eliminated those Dammed needle bearings with a set of tapered roller bearings.
Those lasted forever, were silent, and if they ever did wear out, could be easily replaced without replacing the shaft and gear.
I also bought some "metallic" brake shoes that lasted not only an entire hunting season, but the next summer too. Instead of my having to replace shoes three or more times during hunting season.

They also sold huge amounts of junk. The one I always laughed at, was a toilet paper oil filter. Supposedly the best oil filter money could buy was toilet paper. Just stuff a roll in this housing, and you were golden. As it turned out, maybe they weren't so silly after all.
They are still for sale, and lots of people swear by them. But, they are bypass units not main filters, which was not mentioned in the old ads.

They also sold some wild accessories. I actually bought a Flying Goddess Winged hood ornament with lighted wings. It came in on a Friday, I put it on over the weekend. Drove around with it lighted all week at night. I thought it looked great.
First limb I drove under the next weekend destroyed it.........

But, unless you could find what you needed in one of those places, you were pretty much out of luck.
 
Fordum:

Don't forget the "Matalloy" engine rebuild pellets you dropped into the spark plug holes, and magic elixer you poured into the crankcase,that promised to "rebuild the engine as you drive,by re-plating worn rings,bearings,and pistons with a super tuff liquid alloy coating"..
(Note--Large 8's,like Buicks,Caddilac's and Lincolns,require 2 packages !)..

That stuff was usually on the same page as the "magnetic fuel saver" that you placed on the steel fuel line--"that adds mpg and power by aligning the gasoline molecules before entering the combustion chamber"...
:surepal:...

To my surprise,both these items were still in the last catalog I bought about 6 years ago !...who BUYS these things ?..:thinking:
 
I actually bought one of those kits. I knew they would not work, but they were cheap, and I was curious. Never used the oil additive, but I did melt one of the balls down to see what was in it. Smelled like a melted crayon, and had some little bits of shiny stuff in it.
I went ahead and dropped them in the plug holes of my Jeep engine while it was hot.
It was getting due for an overhaul anyway, figured it couldn't hurt.
It seemed to help the small amount of oil burning I had for a while, but it came back. I figure the wax put a coating on the cylinder walls and rings that just blocked the oil blowby for a while.

As for the magnets, I had access to some fairly strong ones, and stuck one on my steel fuel line between the pump and the carb.
Made a difference. Fuel mileage seemed to go up some.
I collected a couple more magnets, and was going to put them on some of my friend's cars. While I was explaining to one of them how it worked, I opened my hood to show him, and discovered the magnet had gotten jarred off the fuel line and was stuck to the engine block.
So much for the magnet helping the fuel mileage.......

I need to look around. I bet I've got one of the old catalogs. There was a ton of stuff in them like that.

Funny thing about it, they had one gimmick, that thinking back on it was darned impressive. This was way before computers, so they had to have people doing this by hand.
Every catalog came with a personalized greeting on the mailing address sticker.
It would go something like this.

Dear J. The next time you got into your 1960 CJ5 and pullled out of your house at .......drive, wouldn't it be nice if it had better performance? Check out our .........

The label would have your name, the make and model of your vehicle, and your address mentioned in the greeting. Which meant someone had to look up all that information from your last order, and create that greeting for every catalog mailed to a returning customer.
An interesting thing about that, was that they never printed your whole first name, just the initial. No matter how short.
But they would always print the full last name, no matter what.

So, when a friend of mine wanted to get some catalogs mailed to him up in Webb Al., I filled out one of the recommend a friend portions of an order blank.
I put down Andrew Dingleberry as his name.
Of course, he started getting lots of catalogs addressed to A. Dingleberry.

The Webb Al. post office was a little two room building with one older lady postmistress. Who was from the country, and knew what a dingleberry was. Every time my friend went in to get his mail, he could tell he had a new catalog from the giggling behind the window.
 
That's a funny story!..:D..

I remember the lady on my paper route as a kid,the name on her mailbox was "Ima Hogg"...bet she had a lot of teasing in school!.

I have two older J.C. Whitney catalogs hanging around,maybe more,newest one is dated 2011--I bought them off a magazine rack at Walmart,I never did subscribe to them or order any parts from them,but was very tempted too--I think they went chapter 11 around then or maybe earlier..but they managed not to go out of business despite tough competition..

I'd have liked to seen their main warehouse back in the 70's or 80's,it must have been huge,they had a immense array of products for sale,not just parts either..

Back when a friend had a GM 4x4 with a SM465 in it that would pop out of third going up a hill ,I spotted a special collar they sold to take the place of the snap ring that often failed,that caused that issue.

It looked like a common 2 piece shaft collar,that had been machined so it had a lip,that clamped into the snap ring groove..he got one and was able to install it thru the side covers on the tranny,and it cured the problem..for some reason that item dissapeared from the catalog though,not long after...it was the only source for them..

I'm not sure I believe the magnet on the fuel line would make any improvement in MPG...only use I've had with positive results for a magnet is to use one on the gas tank if it has rust,it'll keep the rust in one spot and away from the "sock"--magnetic drain plugs I always liked too..its a bit scary to see how much metal filings came out on one at every oil change..now they glue them inside tranny pans and diff covers factory..
 
I have wondered if they had some kind of consignment system for aftermarket parts. Most everything I was buying parts for in those days was a Jeep. And they had a whole section for them. But a lot of the parts were definitely one of a kind.
That idler gear/bearing replacement I never saw anywhere except there.
Someone must have appreciated it, I saw them for sale online during the summer but I don't remember where. They also sold a bronze bushing bell crank for the steering that would outlast the needle bearing system from the factory.

There were lots of other things too, but time has dimmed the memories.
 
Sadly I'm old enough to have been at warshawskys lol

It was in a really bad area in chicago
Inside were rows and rows of disorganized shelves. No computers back then.

It was cool to explore around and look at all the parts

I live about 2 hrs from whitney and pass thru that area from time to time
Then i make a list of things i need
 
I think if I was at the point where that pin broke off I'd probably just spend the extra money and buy the Stage 8 locking rings and try my luck, but then again I have heard of failures on those as well. I think like anything maybe some of those failures stem from rushed assembly or improper tightening (like in roadside repairs) as well as a general lack of maintenance. I know on my 1977 Jimmy I caught a keeper failure because it started pressing the hub out and eating the plastic insert on the warn hubs that had been installed. When I bought a new set of hubs and put it all back together I never had a problem again.
 
Sadly I'm old enough to have been at warshawskys lol

It was in a really bad area in chicago
Inside were rows and rows of disorganized shelves. No computers back then.

It was cool to explore around and look at all the parts

I live about 2 hrs from whitney and pass thru that area from time to time
Then i make a list of things i need

Maybe you can put to rest a rumor that circulated when I was in school. I got catalogs from JC whitney and Warshawsky's and they were nearly identical. Someone said that if you went in the front door of one business and walked clear through the store you walked out the front of the other.

I did stop at the JC Whitney store a few years but always wished I could have seen the old store.
 
Can't help dispell the rumor, whitney bought warshawsky in 2002, i was there 12 years earlier.

The old store was kind of a letdown, after seeing the catalogs i thought it would be an amazing place.

In person it was poorly lit, disorganized, mostly gimic parts, in a bad area of town.

Was cool to see it once tho.
 
I think if I was at the point where that pin broke off I'd probably just spend the extra money and buy the Stage 8 locking rings and try my luck, but then again I have heard of failures on those as well. I think like anything maybe some of those failures stem from rushed assembly or improper tightening (like in roadside repairs) as well as a general lack of maintenance. I know on my 1977 Jimmy I caught a keeper failure because it started pressing the hub out and eating the plastic insert on the warn hubs that had been installed. When I bought a new set of hubs and put it all back together I never had a problem again.

That was kinda my point about this being the golden age of parts. Even though these trucks are getting old, there are more parts available for them now then when they were built. When I was having problems with my locking pin, there was no such thing as a stage 8 system. Or, if there was, unless it happened to be in an ad in a magazine I was reading, I had no way to know about it.
No internet, no search systems, no computers.
My best source of aftermarket parts was Jimmy Heath's collection of catalogs that he kept on the counter at his NAPA store. When I needed something that was not available, I went to his store. NAPA had a lot of stuff that you did not see other places. And if they did not carry it, Jimmy might have a private company's catalog that had some kind of part that would work.

And for those of you who go into Pick N Pull, or other junkyards to find parts, that did not happen a lot either. Most junkyards would not let you browse. You walked in, told them what you needed, and if they had it, you paid their price.
Not sure how far reaching it was, but every yard had an intercom type box on the counter. From out of the speaker came a continuous stream of voices listing parts needed. I never understood how that worked.
I never heard anyone answer that they had that part, and never saw any of the counter guys either use it, or even seem to pay attention to it.
I just remembered an experience I had that illustrates what I mean. Let me see if I can find an image and I will post the story here.
 
OK, here is what I was talking about. Bear in mind, this was in Panama City in the '70s, which was not all that big. Other cities might have had more stuff available.

I was driving my 1976 Ford Torino Elite down by the hospital. I had had it about 2 years. Suddenly I started smelling what smelled like old tennis shoes. It got stronger fast, then I started seeing smoke coming out of the dash.
I whipped over to the side, and started looking for trouble.
Switched the air conditioner off, and the smoke start to subside.
I rolled the windows down, and cautiously drove home. Went into the dash, and discovered that the blower motor switch had done something bad. I never knew if the switch shorted out, or if the connector was not making good contact and causing heat.
The switch had a sort of socket on the back that a plug fit into. Both the socket and the plug were melted.
You can see what the socket and plug are supposed to look like in the pictures below. Since it was only a couple of years old, I went to the Ford dealership. Did not see a reason to put it in their shop, since I already had the switch out.
Went to the parts counter, and bought a new switch. Since Ford had used that same switch in many other cars for a while, they had one in stock. Cost about $25. Told them I also needed the plug to plug into it.

That, they did not carry, and could not order one.
OK, off to NAPA. No luck.
I think I actually checked J.C. Whitney, but nothing even close.

So, off to the junkyard. Was not too worried, since Ford had used that switch in a lot of cars and trucks over the years. I went to one of the yards where I knew them fairly well. Told them what make and model of car, plus the fact that many other Fords would have the same plug. I showed them the switch also.
My friend behind the counter said that he was sure he had lots of them, cost would be $100.
I blinked a couple of times, and told him I did not need the whole car, or even the dash, just that plug.
He said he knew that, but he got $100 for a complete harness. I reminded him again that all I needed was one plug. He said he was not going to ruin a good harness for one plug.

I pointed out the window, and said that I could see several cars of the right make and vintage that had burned partially. Thus the harnesses on them would not be complete.

He said that he did not have time to dig around and find if that plug was in any particular burned car and if it was still good. I offered to do the digging, but he turned me down.
Pretty much the same story at all the other junkyards.

Fortunately, I had recently discovered a wonder substance called Plas-T-Pare. It consisted of a small bottle of a strong smelling liquid, and a larger bottle of finely ground up plastic.
The liquid was a plastic solvent, that worked as a good glue for many types of plastic. If you mixed some of the powder with it, it made a viscus liquid, or soft putty, depending on how much liquid you used.
Then, when the solvent evaporated, you had a solid chunk of plastic. I coated the inside of the socket of the switch with Vaseline, plugged spade connectors with wires soldered to them onto each of the contacts, then filled the socket with the dissolved plastic.
When it hardened, I pulled on the wires, and the new plug came right out. Spliced the wires in, and I was in business.
I might have used individual connectors, but you had to reach behind and under the dash to plug in the wires after the switch was mounted, and the plug made sure the wires went on to the right terminals.
Kept the car 10 years, put well over 150K on it, about 80% of which was 80mph or above, never had a problem with the switch again.

Today, I went on RockAuto, they have the switch and plug in stock, total cost for both around $18. That for a 1976 part I could not find in 1978, and another part that I paid more for.

Here is what they look like. My homemade plug did not have the latch, but it took a real hard pull to get it out, so the latch was not needed.

HS210_PRIMARY__ra_p.jpg HS210_TERMINAL__ra_p.jpg PT1942_Primary__ra_p.jpg
 
Up here "most" salvage yards let you go wander around and pull your own parts--until some morons ended up getting injured and sued,once the insurance company covering the yard had a claim filed,the owners started fencing in and gating all the vehicles and refused to let anyone go near them...a few yards still are "pick & pull" here,but nowhere near as many as there was..

Most yards here will "break up" parts ,its only if they have a "complete" undamaged engine or whatever,that they will refuse to sell a part off it usually..
Some yards now find it more profitable to simply strip wiring harnesses out of vehicles for the scrap copper,rather than leave the harness in the vehicle before crushing it..
Many wont even sell transmissions,steering rack & pinions,and other parts that may well be defective after sitting some time--they instead sell the cores to rebuilders rather than have to deal with comebacks and unsatisfied customers..

Most of the yards here had that "squawk-box" intercom parts locating service,like you said,there was always a voice on the speaker looking for some part--and it seemed to be my luck the guy at the counter was more interested in answering the requests on the intercom,than waiting on me..

A lot of the yards here did swap parts among themselves,or simply sent the customer to the other yard that had what they were looking for..today I suppose they have the internet to handle those requests,I haven't seen or heard an intercom in years at a salvage yard..

It is kind of strange that today you can buy just about any part aftermarket,for an older muscle car or vehicle we once had to scour salvage yards and swap meets to find a used OEM one in the past,now that a lot of those vehicles have been scrapped ,you'd think there isn't enough of them left around to make reproducing parts a worthwhile endeavor..but evidently it is..
 

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