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Nissan Titan

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My K5 has a little sticker on the drivers side door "GM TRUCK PLANT OF FLINT" I'm proud to drive it.

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Yeah, and you know what, none of the new Chevy trucks came out of Flint because they shut all those plants down. Matter of fact a lot of Flint is run down and many people were unemployed and displaced because of GM closing so many plants. A lot of Chevy manufacturing has gone to Mexico and parts come from all over.

As far as buying American, I guess all you guys should stop shopping at Wal-Mart and I wouldn't buy Nike shoes or clothes from any American store since most of them are made overseas. Or is ok for Americans to benefit from cheap labor and manufacturing abroad as long as the profits stay here? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
 
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Or is ok for Americans to benefit from cheap labor and manufacturing abroad as long as the profits stay here? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

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I still look for the "Made in USA" label, and it still means something to me.

I dunno about anyone else, but I'll pay twice the price for an American made product.

Now if we could just get rid of the labor unions so someone could afford to make something here......
 
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Now if we could just get rid of the labor unions so someone could afford to make something here......




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That way everyone can make ten bucks an hour so there is no longer a middle class? Its not the unions that are bad, its the general attitudes of guys in the unions like the guys I work with. Also, nobody forces large corporations to send jobs overseas, they do it so their stock value goes up so the execs and stock holders can make a few more bucks.
 
That thread was nicely hijacked. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif I'm a Chevy guy through and through but I drive a 2000 xcab silverado off road at work everyday and let me tell you the suspension is crap. It doesn't help that I drive like a madman but my kidneys take a pounding. It's been fairly reliable but there have been a lot of little problems ie charging system, pcm, etc. The point is, who cares where it's made or who benefits as long is it's a solid reliable vehicle.

Now back to the topic have you guys heard anything about them or driven them at all?
 
I drove one, and liked it alot. Now that im off work for a while, i go arround to dealerships pretending i have money and drive new trucks. Of all the 1/2 tons i drove, the titan was the nicest. The hemi was a huge letdown, The F-150 was way to car like and womanly, New GM's were nice, but felt cheaper than the Titan, and didnt impress me to much with the loud pedal. The Tundra, i would buy one if they decide to ever make a bigger powerplant. My experience with it was that 6K and passengers was about all it would tow comfortably.

If i were told i could have any new 1/2 ton truck of my choise for free, i would get the titan. If i were going to buy a new truck, i would get a 1ton SRW Dodge and not waste the the time on a 1/2 ton. But thats just me.
 
That Titan is a joke IMHO, I think it's cute when the foreign companies come out with a truck...non of them can seem to relize that there are more to trucks than a 1/2 ton.

I personally don't care where the big three build their trucks and buy their parts because I know that most of the time it is to keep the cost down. I would rather have half the parts manufactured overseas and have a price tag $10K cheaper than if everything was manuf. in America.

The main thing is that GM, Ford, and Dodge are the only manufactures that I can think of (at the moment that are popular) that can seem to make anything heavier duty than a car like 1/2 ton. I'd rather drive a cummins powered, black smoke blowin', 1 ton dodge or 1 ton gas sucking big block 496 Chevy than any cute little import car with a short bed attached to it. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif

Also I think most of us are brand loyal, and for good reason, the big three represent power, classics, and good long lasting quality! Just look back at some of the best muscle cars....a 69' camaro or vette, fast back mustang, or an R/T charger. I will stick with the big three!
 
Toyota has a plant in bay area, CA that makes three car lines. One of them is only sold in Japan. That is a global market. Japanese company builds cars in America to only sell in Japan.

Wonder how much of the price is shipping the product across the Pacific twice.

BMW is as American as Dodge is now.
Jaguar, Range Rover, Austin Martin, Saab are also "American" since they are owned by Ford and GM.

Yah but Ford, GM, and Dodge sell a ton of 1/2's every year.
 
/forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif BTW ive gone 60s stang crazy man. I think its some sort of revolution /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif
 
My wife wants a 60's Mustang SOMEDAY. I told her we are putting a Chevy drivetrain in it so we can eliglble for the conversion class at Super Chevy
 
I thought all my vehicles were american,since it says "GMC" and "Chevrolet" on the grille--but when I open the door to all the vehicles listed in my profile,there is a little maple leaf on a sticker that says "Made In Canada"!. /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif
Nothing againt Canada,theese vehicles are as reliable as I could ask for,but when you buy something you "think" is american--IT USUALLY ISN"T!.Evidently this is nothing new they just started doing--my oldest truck is a 79,and it was made in Canada even back then!.I also have a pair of rotted doors of a 73 I kept only for he glass and door panels--they have the maple leaf on them too!.And on the steel panels in my quonset hut its stamped "Made In Canada!".I bought it from steelmaster buildings in Newport News Virginia,but when it got here,the bill of lading said it was shipped from Future Steel Buildings--near Toronto Canada!.I try to buy american,but even the "american" companies aren't really american--they just sell whatever they can to make the biggest possible profit--aint that the american way?? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
 
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Your assuming that buying something from the big 3=made in USA. Thats a terribly wrong assumption, and I doubt that you'll find "everything made in USA".

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There is no big 3. There is a big 2. Daimler-Chrysler is no more domestic than Acura.

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Dont forget, that cars like the TOYOTA camry, are acutally built in the U.S. as well as most new hondas. They are in fact, U.S. production plants, with american workers. My k5 shows a non u.s. build code.

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Toyota blows donkeys in July. They pay their workers 1/3 less than the domestics do for the same job and they get nearly no benefits. Yet, they sell the cars for damn near the same price. Where do you think the profits they reap go? It isn't to pay their workers, it isn't to donate to charity in the US, and it isn't to better anyone but themselves. GM donates more money in two months than all the asian manufacturers combined do in an entire year.

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So just cause it has an american name on it, doesnt make it american, and putting a japanese company name on something, doesnt make it built in Japan.

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American is relative. Asian imports are still satan in my opinion. They are built by people making $8-14/hour with little to no benefits. As a temporary employee at GM you make $14/hour.

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The taxes in U.S. have forced japanese companies to build their vehicles here- because the U.S. imposes a huge tax on "imported" items. Hence it is cheaper to build them here.

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That perfectly fine. You can't even sell a Harley in Japan because of all their taxes. Nothing making more than 250hp can be sold in Japan either so needless to say virtually no domestic cars are in Japan. For every tax and tariff the US has the asian countries are taxing 2-3 times. It is even worse in other forms of manufacturing.

The nifty-neat thing that most people such as yourself don't know is that most asian automobiles are only ASSEMBLED in the US. Nearly everything is imported.

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Its funny how I dont see people complaining about European vehicles. BMW's Audi's MErcedes... I dont see anyone saying "Dont buy the european cars!!!!".

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People still complain about them... especially the ones with poor business practices and poor employee treatment. It's not all about the kind of car like you seem to think it is.

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And mind you, about the only one of those vehicles built in the U.S. is the x5.

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Again, it's not so much about where it's built.


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I try to buy "american built" as much as possible, not "american marketed and labeled" as most products are nowadays.

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All the rice companies are trying to be american. Using american songs that they don't have to license (read: classics) to make it seem like they've been around forever. Datsun was the only company from ricenation to actually be around in the 70s.

Honda and Mitsubishi have been trying this a lot lately. They should stick to what they know best: building shitty automobiles that you treat like a condom: use it once and throw it away.

I'll never buy rice and I'll never buy Chrysler. I'd rather have Mexicans assemble my truck and have all that money come back to the US than pay some ricer company for a car that they make a killer profit on because it doesn't cost them jack [darn] to build it and then take their money back to ricenation.
 
Let me throw in a few tidbits since I work in the automotive industry:

1) Labor unions are what keep moving jobs away from the USA. Like it or not, the UAW is being forced to change and they know it. People have stopped calling GM "Generous Motors". Union wages for new hires are actually going down for the first time in decades. This helps to align the US car makers with the Japanese.

2) Superior Japenese quality is a myth. It's based on the screwups of US carmakers in the late 80's, mostly. If you read consumer reports and J.D. Powers, Toyota is like #9 worldwide in initial quality by brand name. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif A year or two ago, the Chevy Malibu scored highest initial quality.

3)People are confused because GM, Ford, etc. study how Toyota does things. Everyone assumes it is to learn about higher quality. Wrong. What Toyota does that makes the US makers druel is MAKE MONEY. When you spend $18,000 on a new car, you get about the same features and quality from a Toyota or a Chevy. The difference is that Toyota made like 4x as much money off the sale. The biggest difference is in labor costs, but there are other issues as well.

4) There is no big three anymore. Some use big five to include Toyota and Honda. Not only is Chrysler now a German-owned company, their sales are so low that Toyota and Honda are ahead of them anyway. Some people now use the term Big Three to refer to GM, Ford and Toyota.




Now, back to the original topic. The Titan I drove seemed like a new American truck. Big, with good V8 power. Yes, it is a joke, but so is the stuff coming from the US automakers in some cases. The new F-150 is not a real truck, either.
 
I wouldn't trust anything that has a long history of the box hitting the cab, frame fatigue under the front floorboards, and a platform that isn't tried and true.

Not to mention I'd never buy rice first hand nor would I buy one that gets as bas of gas mileage yet has less low-end torque than a domestic.

When was the last time you priced anything to be replaced at an asian dealership? If you thought domestic stealerships were bad... go to a Toyota or Nissan one.
 
Keeping cost down is important but don;t you think some of the Savings should come back to you? You can a fully loaded Nissan Titan for about 29K. Drive it for 4 years with no problems, and great reliability and performance. And then still sell it without loosing an arm and a leg. Every American vehicle sells for 5,000.00 off of M.S.R.P. to start with because the day you drive it off the lot it is worth $10,000.00 less than M.S.R.P. And, just out of curiousity has anybody driven the Titan that is saying how much of a "joke" it is? or are we make mis-educated assumptions on a product that 10 years ago may have been a "joke"
 
Werd tayven.

rjfguitar what's really a joke is that 496 big block powered gm truck you're talking about is more car like than the Titan.

I'm not try to compare the Titan to a Ram 3500 SRW or F-350 SRW. I'm talking 1/2 ton trucks here, let's compare apples to apples. From what I've seen and heard so far the Titan is looking like the best available option in the new 1/2 ton market. It has an optional ELocker for goodness sake, how cool is that.

As far as older Nissan truck reliability, my daily driver is a 1986 Nissan Hardbody that I inherited from my dad. Let me tell you I've been trying to kill that thing for over a year so I can get a new truck but as bad as I treat it it keeps running. It has 280,000 miles (SoCal Stop and go miles at that) and keeps running like a champ. I can't even remember the last time I changed the oil in it /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

If that's any indication of what I can expect from the Titan I think I'll take one.
 
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Werd tayven.

rjfguitar what's really a joke is that 496 big block powered gm truck you're talking about is more car like than the Titan.

I'm not try to compare the Titan to a Ram 3500 SRW or F-350 SRW. I'm talking 1/2 ton trucks here, let's compare apples to apples. From what I've seen and heard so far the Titan is looking like the best available option in the new 1/2 ton market. It has an optional ELocker for goodness sake, how cool is that.

As far as older Nissan truck reliability, my daily driver is a 1986 Nissan Hardbody that I inherited from my dad. Let me tell you I've been trying to kill that thing for over a year so I can get a new truck but as bad as I treat it it keeps running. It has 280,000 miles (SoCal Stop and go miles at that) and keeps running like a champ. I can't even remember the last time I changed the oil in it /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

If that's any indication of what I can expect from the Titan I think I'll take one.

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You got an outlier. My grandparents had a 1990 C2500 with 700R4 and TBI 350. They bought it used at 20,000 miles. It was never serviced at all. The transmission never even got a fluid change. At one time an injector failed and the exhaust valve on one cylinder got sucked into the head. My Dad replaced the valve and it went another 50,000 miles or so. The odometer quit at 230,000 miles and a couple years later they parked it because the frame broke. For about 210,000 miles it hauled a 4 stall horse trailer. It was an outlier.

Most automobiles these days are wrecked before they "wear out". Automobile manufacturers know they only need to make the car last 6-7 years. Many people lease these days and those who don't get rid of the vehicle after they pay it off or sooner. The warranty is rarely transferable. Most cars are in a horrible wreck before they hit the 10 year mark.

So, you have to take the total cost of ownership into account when you buy a vehicle these days. You can't just base it on what it costs and fuel economy. You have to base it on resale, fuel economy, initial purchase, repair costs, wearable items, and how much and in what conditions you're going to drive it. This is assuming you ignore insurance costs.
 
I Have had 12 Cars since I got my licens at 16. 7 of them have been Honda or Acura products. One Barracuda, one Charger, and one K5. 4 of the 7 Hondas had 200-250,000 miles on them when I bought them and no porblems while I owned them. Acutually I managed to break the timing belt on one integra with 230,000 becasue I dorve it to redline through every gear all day every day for a year and 30,000 miles. One Brand New Acura obdviously had no problems and two others with over a 100K when I bouth them and never really had any problems other than me wrecking them or Maintenance. THe Japanese DO make cars that last Longer and there craftmanship is starting to show through. Oh, and at the dealership that I work at, All the Acura's built in America have more problems than the ones we build in Japan. Proven car after car and time after time. I own a car built in America with a Japanese name and the Quality is not as High. I hate saying it as much as the next guy but I work hard for my money and will always spend it on the superior product. Not based of something that used to be an "All American Product" There are a lot of things that American Manufactures still have the market on like Full Size S.U.V.s and Speciality Trucks. But I think it is impossible to say they are not Moving in quickly and beating out the American products. Such as Half ton Pick ups
 
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rjfguitar what's really a joke is that 496 big block powered gm truck you're talking about is more car like than the Titan.



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I have never seen a 496/Allison combo, NV263 case, and especially an A&M 11.5" rear axle in a car. Look under any full size sedan car and you will see basically the same stuff that is under any 1/2 truck, or at least that is how it used to be.

Didn't mean to piss you off....I just would never buy a truck that has a car like drivetrain, gets 12-15mpg and much less under a load, and has a generally small towing capacity and braking system vs. a 3/4 or 1 ton pickup.
I just would prefer to pay a little extra and get a truck that makes a ton more power, gets 20mpg and just slightly less under load, has a heavy duty drivetrain that can handle oversized tires, and can tow considerably more than a 1/2 ton.

Don't get me wrong, if Nissan built a 3/4 or 1 ton titan that had a diesel that actually compared to the ISB cummins or PS and had a ring gear larger than 10" than I would definantly take a peek at it. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
 
i dont care where its made, who runs the company, or how cool the engine is. I'll never buy a truck with IFS. Ever. At some point, someone out there building trucks is going to figure this out... hopefully.

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I see alot more american cars breaking down more than foreign(sp?). when and if I ever buy a new car in the future it's going to be an Foreign car.

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That's because there are far more American cars on the road than foreign.

I quoted a guy $400 for a computer for a 3 year old Mitsubishi just today.

Starters $300, alternators the same, brakes more expensive, rotors of shitty quality, ball joints and CV axles that are constantly worn out.

Just makes no sense to me at all with some of the parts I sell.....head gasket and reman cylinder head and timing belt for a 1994 Toyota Camry. Who would fix such a POS? I bet you couldn't get the cost of the repair bill for the whole car.....but every day, I sell parts for things like this, and I still can't figure out why.

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cause spending 30 bucks on a head gasket is cheaper than buying another car?
 
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