np205 grinding

[adam9716]

after shifting my transfer case into neutral and putting the transmission into park the transfer case grinds slightly. it wont do it in any other gear except park. what could cause that? in case it matters its a np205 mated to a 700r trans.

 

[TucsonK5]

It's not the T-case grinding, it is your tranny park "lock teeth".

Usually, when in drive with T-case in gear (not in neutral), stopping the truck stops the trans from rotating, because the tires are not turning. When the T-case is in neutral, the trans keeps spinning because there is no connection to the tires and therefore no resistance. Putting it in park when the T-case is in neutral is essentially like putting it in park when the truck is still rolling.

Obviously, the torque converter spins all the time, but the internals in the tranny don't spin when you are in park or stopped in gear. Well, some do, but in-depth tranny function is a little beyond this discussion, and better left to a more knowledgeable person than me.

 

[chulisohombre]

a lil slop in the linkage,it may not be fully disengaging.thats all it can really be.may need to be adjusted a lil to make it right.

 

[adam9716]

a lil slop in the linkage,it may not be fully disengaging.thats all it can really be.may need to be adjusted a lil to make it right.

the shifter is a little sloppy. how do you adjust the linkage?

 

[79-K5]

It's not the T-case grinding, it is your tranny park "lock teeth".

Usually, when in drive with T-case in gear (not in neutral), stopping the truck stops the trans from rotating, because the tires are not turning. When the T-case is in neutral, the trans keeps spinning because there is no connection to the tires and therefore no resistance. Putting it in park when the T-case is in neutral is essentially like putting it in park when the truck is still rolling.

Obviously, the torque converter spins all the time, but the internals in the tranny don't spin when you are in park or stopped in gear. Well, some do, but in-depth tranny function is a little beyond this discussion, and better left to a more knowledgeable person than me.

X2, the trans is still spinning when your trying to shift in to park

 

[brandenash1]

Tfi

 

[adam9716]

It's not the T-case grinding, it is your tranny park "lock teeth".

Usually, when in drive with T-case in gear (not in neutral), stopping the truck stops the trans from rotating, because the tires are not turning. When the T-case is in neutral, the trans keeps spinning because there is no connection to the tires and therefore no resistance. Putting it in park when the T-case is in neutral is essentially like putting it in park when the truck is still rolling.

Obviously, the torque converter spins all the time, but the internals in the tranny don't spin when you are in park or stopped in gear. Well, some do, but in-depth tranny function is a little beyond this discussion, and better left to a more knowledgeable person than me.

So I should shift my trans into park when the transfer case is in gear, then put it into neutral ?
Or is there something wrong with my trans?

 

[chulisohombre]

i guess it could be the parking pawl.since it doesnt have anything to lock against with no connection to the ground.why are you parking it in neutral anyway?is there something you are checking undernieth or what?try putting it in park first to stop the rotation of the tranny.maybe it wont lock in park without there being anything to lock into because the axles are disconnected from transfer case in neutral.i didnt even think of that being something to worry about.make sure you put chocks under both sides of the wheels if you plan on getting out and looking under the truck.dont need any runaway k5s runnin down the street.haha.my buddys burb did that and smashed 2 cars at a dealership.no good.

 

[adam9716]

i guess it could be the parking pawl.since it doesnt have anything to lock against with no connection to the ground.why are you parking it in neutral anyway?is there something you are checking undernieth or what?try putting it in park first to stop the rotation of the tranny.maybe it wont lock in park without there being anything to lock into because the axles are disconnected from transfer case in neutral.i didnt even think of that being something to worry about.make sure you put chocks under both sides of the wheels if you plan on getting out and looking under the truck.dont need any runaway k5s runnin down the street.haha.my buddys burb did that and smashed 2 cars at a dealership.no good.

to be honest this is my first 4x4 and i know very little about the workings and what not. i thought you had to shift it into neutral before you put it in park lol!!! when i bought the blazer last november the guy i got it from had a 208 shifter on a 205 for whatever reason. i took that off and put a 205 shifter and linkage on it, but its shifts sloppy......so bad i cant decifer between gears. today i tried driving it for the first time since i put the new shifter and linkage on and i thought i was in neutral...drove a few feet and it felt like something locked up on me. i think something is majorly wrong, and im sure is something i did that was wrong since it drove fine before i started messing with shifting the transfercase. im thinking it might need a rebuild. or maybe i just need to adjust the linkage, but i dont have a clue on how to do that. i dont know much, but atleast i wanna learn!!!!

 

[chulisohombre]

you have to make sure the linkage isnt binding first off.and that the shift rails are completely shifing in and out of gear.all the way up torward the dash is 4 low.neutral under that.then 2 hi and 4 hi at the very bottom back torward the rear of the cab.do you have the solid shifter or cable shifter.it may be out of adjustment if you have a cable.if it is binding it is because you dont have it completly in a gear and they are not meshing correctly.you will have to go under the transfercase after shifting it to make sure the shift rails are going all the way in and out to be sure it is adjusted correctly.

 

[adam9716]

you have to make sure the linkage isnt binding first off.and that the shift rails are completely shifing in and out of gear.all the way up torward the dash is 4 low.neutral under that.then 2 hi and 4 hi at the very bottom back torward the rear of the cab.do you have the solid shifter or cable shifter.it may be out of adjustment if you have a cable.if it is binding it is because you dont have it completly in a gear and they are not meshing correctly.you will have to go under the transfercase after shifting it to make sure the shift rails are going all the way in and out to be sure it is adjusted correctly.

theres no shift cable, its solid. part of the problem i think is when i shift it theres no definite "feeling" its in any certain gear except 4low and 4 hi for obvious reasons. isnt there supposed to be a point when the shifter falls into gear "per say" when you shift it? also im not sure if i mentioned it in a earlier post, but, i thought i was in 2hi and i tried to drive it, got about 5 feet and it felt like something locked up on me......... it feels like the more i mess with it the more i screw things up lol!!! transfer cases are Chinese to me lol!!!

 

[GreenieK30]

Are your axle ratios the same?

 

[chulisohombre]

it wont click in to a solid spot per say,but you should be able to feel the gears mesh as it goes into gear.the easiesrt way to know its in 2 wheel is to go all the way back down into 4 hi,then up a lil til you fell it catch 2 hi.then put it back into gear and see if it feels like you are in correct gear.coming out of 4 low i alwas do it this way to make sure im in 2 hi.

 

[adam9716]

Are your axle ratios the same?

i believe there the same. when i bought the truck the guy said he had 456 in the rear and 373 in the front. i hand the front diff re-geard to a 456, but i never verified if the rear is really a 456........

 

[tRustyK5]

Well, the 205 shifter set-up is linear unlike the 208 and 241 shifter which have a detent in the shifter mechanism itself. It takes some practice to get a feel for how to shift a 205 and know where you are as far as range etc.

What I got to doing after a while to find 2 HI was pull it all the way back into 4HI, then bump the shifter forward with the base of my hand. You quickly get a feel for how hard to bump it, and of course this varies for each individual 205 out there.

Also, tranny operation is regular for any range you're in...there is almost never a real use for the nuetral in your T-case.

You spent money to re-gear one diff, but you skipped one important step. You should have opened up the other diff and confirmed the ratio there. Right now I would suggest doing that, pull the cover and confirm or deny that it also has 4.56 gears. If it does you can count your lucky stars that the previous owner wasn't blowing smoke up your ass. If it doesn't, I guess you'll be regearing that diff too.

Even with matching ratios the truck can feel weird in 4WD because the front and rear diffs are locked together. On a hard surface such as dry pavement this can cause things to bind up...which is normal. You really shouldn't ever be in 4WD on a hard high traction surface anyways.

205 shifters are almost always sloppy...that's pretty normal. Keep in mind it's only the shifter that is sloppy, the shift rails and stuff never are.

Lastly, are we 100% sure it's a 205 behind that 700R-4?

Rene

 

[sponsoredbydad]

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"Also, tranny operation is regular for any range you're in...there is almost never a real use for the neutral in your T-case. "


This is exactly what I was thinking

 

[adam9716]

Well, the 205 shifter set-up is linear unlike the 208 and 241 shifter which have a detent in the shifter mechanism itself. It takes some practice to get a feel for how to shift a 205 and know where you are as far as range etc.

What I got to doing after a while to find 2 HI was pull it all the way back into 4HI, then bump the shifter forward with the base of my hand. You quickly get a feel for how hard to bump it, and of course this varies for each individual 205 out there.

Also, tranny operation is regular for any range you're in...there is almost never a real use for the nuetral in your T-case.

You spent money to re-gear one diff, but you skipped one important step. You should have opened up the other diff and confirmed the ratio there. Right now I would suggest doing that, pull the cover and confirm or deny that it also has 4.56 gears. If it does you can count your lucky stars that the previous owner wasn't blowing smoke up your ass. If it doesn't, I guess you'll be regearing that diff too.

Even with matching ratios the truck can feel weird in 4WD because the front and rear diffs are locked together. On a hard surface such as dry pavement this can cause things to bind up...which is normal. You really shouldn't ever be in 4WD on a hard high traction surface anyways.

205 shifters are almost always sloppy...that's pretty normal. Keep in mind it's only the shifter that is sloppy, the shift rails and stuff never are.

Lastly, are we 100% sure it's a 205 behind that 700R-4?

Rene

im absolutley sure its a 700r4 transmission behind a 205 because i just put a new trans in it. when i boutght it i drove it like 50 miles and thr trans blew up lol!!! so i should keep it in 2hi all the tiime, even on the street? why even have neutral on the transfercase if it not needed?

 

[Fordum]

<Also, tranny operation is regular for any range you're in...there is almost never a real use for the nuetral in your T-case.>

Pardon me, but I have two uses for neutral in a 205.

One, is when I am using my PTO winch which runs off the PTO hole on the 205. If I am pulling someone out, I put the 205 in neutral and the auto tranny in drive and out they come.

The other use, is when I have either sunk my motor, or done something to it that causes it to not function anymore.

I can put the 205 in neutral, the transmission in park, and tow it home on a strap without burning up the transmission.

Other than that it is just good for knocking it into neutral when a young nephew wants to drive your truck.

When it won't move, you can ream him out good for breaking your transmission, until you let him know what you have done.

And yes, that was done to me. I'm just passing along the love.

J.

 

[tRustyK5]

im absolutley sure its a 700r4 transmission behind a 205 because i just put a new trans in it. when i boutght it i drove it like 50 miles and thr trans blew up lol!!! so i should keep it in 2hi all the tiime, even on the street? why even have neutral on the transfercase if it not needed?

I wasn't questioning the tranny, rather whether or not it was a 205, or possibly something else.

Rene