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Odd question about lincoln locker

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Okay, I did a search and couldn't really find anything on welding your 14b ff spiders and then using one good axle and one broken or cut axle while using as a daily driver. When you go offroad just replace the broken or cut axle with a good one...

If nothing else, this would cure the tire churping and tire wear. Any comments on this would be great...especially from someone who has already done this.

Would this work on a daily driver? Would the one live axle tire wear faster? What would be the pros and cons.
 
That seems like a pretty good idea, actually. I haven't done it, but I can't think of why it would not work off the top of my head. All you really need is the flange bolted on the end to hold the goo in.

I can't imagine it would wear any different than an open diff on the pavement.
 
2x longbedder

You might notice a little something going on if the tire with the axle is on the inside of a turn, but it would be a significant improvement over two axles...
 
while turning, its still gonna mess with the tire that is spinning. I wouldnt do it, easpecially in the snowy conditions. Is it locked already? If not, look into detroit. They unlock on turns if you're not on the gas.
 
What about driving in snow or ice? Would it be any different then driving with a normal unlocked rearend.
 
It's not currently locked. I will more than likely go with the detroit but I just got to thinking about it. If it would work, it would be like a selectable locker but it would take about 10 minutes compared to an ARB.....

If it would work, I could put up with the 10 minutes.

I just don't see how it would affect the tire wear or feel any different.
 
You will have insane torque steer i.e. every time you touch the gas pedal the truck will try and steer into the ditch.

Trust me, this is in no way something you should consider to drive the truck on the street.
 
38377k5 said:
You will have insane torque steer i.e. every time you touch the gas pedal the truck will try and steer into the ditch.

Trust me, this is in no way something you should consider to drive the truck on the street.
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I think this just isn't clicking in my brain. Could you explain how this would happen??

I mean on the front i could understand but the rear?
 
The way I'm seeing it is like this.

Take a left turn for example, the right tire spins faster than the left with an open diff, a solid diff (lincoln spool etc) will make the inside tire spin at the same speed. Hence tire wear and chirping. A locker will do this as well...if you're on the gas.

Now, say you have the drivers shaft out, yes it would be great, left tire wouldnt have power, and it would act like an open diff. Now you take a right turn, now there is NO power to the outside wheel only the inside. This would make the tire want to walk outwards, IE torque steer.
 
Randy92782 said:
I think this just isn't clicking in my brain. Could you explain how this would happen??

I mean on the front i could understand but the rear?
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You cut the left axle, that means the right axle is live. When you get on the gas it wants to turn left due to the power on the right. When you get off the gas it wants to turn right as it creates drag on the right side. I know if the front end is welded and you have to drive it like 60 miles home on the front end its a bitch, been there and done that. I dont know how bad the rear would be though.
 
Randy92782 said:
I think this just isn't clicking in my brain. Could you explain how this would happen??

I mean on the front i could understand but the rear?
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With an open diff or a locker both wheels are receiving power under normal circumstances. Yes, even an open diff distributes equal power to both tires as long as neither one is slipping.

With only one driven wheel the truck will want to turn violently. I've only done it with the front but I would think the rear would be almost as bad.

Seriously, don't do it (i.e. only one driven shaft). If you a welded rear end on a street driven vehicle then deal with the consequences.
 
now I didn't drive far like this and we took corners slow, but I have done this, not on purpose but because we broke a shaft (don't ask) pulled the broken part out and and bolted the flange back on so basically we did what you are describing. We took it easy but it didn't feel that bad not much torque steer if any, now we didnt' do any full throttle burnouts or anything and probably only drove 20 miles on it on the intersate mostly but no massive torque steer was there.
 
I say try it. If you don't like it, toss in a detroit. You would be replacing the spiders with the locker anyway. Take it easy and get a feel for it, if it acts funny either compensate for it, or lock it right.
 
I will say that only running one shaft is definitely NOT the same as an open diff. An open diff always equally distributes the torque between both rear tires (before somebody has a coronary about this statement let me explain...if one tire is the air it only takes a very, very small amount of torque to spin it. This same amount of torque, again a very, very small amount is also applied to the tire planted on the ground but that small amount of torque is not enough to spin that tire, or make the vehicle move).

Now I will say that I have never personally tried doing this with a rear axle, but I have broken a front shaft before with a locker and drove out in 3wd. Basically the front axle was in the same condition as described and it did have torque steer and handled funny whenever you gave it much gas.

I would also think the driven tire would wear at least a little bit faster, but don't know if it would be any worse than the extra tire wear you get by running a welded rear diff on the road...I've run a welded rear diff on my truck for many years now and am on my 3rd different set of tires (not because they were worn out, just because I wanted something different).
 
Sounds like nobody really knows for sure. Try it in a controlled environment and let us know what you figure out. I'd really like to know.
 
longbedder said:
Sounds like nobody really knows for sure. Try it in a controlled environment and let us know what you figure out. I'd really like to know.
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I've run locked in the front with only one side powering (I locked in only 1 hub). It was ridiculous, you would not consider driving more than 1/4 mile with it like that.

The rear will be the same, just less pronounced. I still think its not something you are going to want for a truck on the pavement (or ever, I suppose).
 
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