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Overland rigs, expedition rigs, whatever else you call it

natemc

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What does everyone here prefer? I built the Suburban wanting to be able to tackle anything I encounter. Thus, I would consider mine a weekend warrior Expedition rig. I also am of the mentality that the tires can be larger if the vehicle can handle it. What do you think? It seems to me that most overlanders prefer nothing larger than a 33" tire.
 
yeah. I've been over there a bit. The european rigs that are 2 tons and bigger seem to have large tires also.
 
Overland rigs, expedition rig, weekend warrior or whatever…that is what I am into and the purpose of behind my K10 and Suburban. I have no interest in building a truck for the sake of simply blasting through mud, following the power line trails or joining the redneck renegade to see who can crawl over the biggest, steepest pile of boulders. To me it is about the destination where getting there is half the of the adventure. When my circle of friends go on a trip we are leaving for a minimum of 500 miles and at least a week living out of the truck. The last several trips have been around 2,000 miles each from departure to returning home. This coming March a few friends and I are planning on a 8 day trip 2,800 mileish round trip to Death Valley and the sounding areas where most people don’t go wheeling other than the Land Rover professional photographer type guys go.

You’re right, the overlanders prefer what most mainstream 4x4 guys would consider small tires. 33’s are the most common while 35’s are on the higher end depending on the rig. The overlander community is all about capability but more importantly, durability, not who has the biggest and badest rock crawler or $X000 invested into their bugger welded 4 link home grown engineered Dana 60 front suspension. In all reality most of the overlander rigs are much better engineered, built and durable than magazine cover rock crawler things. When you see an overlander type rig look at how they route wiring harnesses, etc. Extreme care is taken with durability. When you leave civilization for days/weeks/months on end, you need a durable and capable rig to get you back home alive. Overlanding can be a deadly deal even right here in the lower 48 if someone doesn’t have a durable rig and know what they are doing. We recently did a week in the rough back country of Canyonlands (no, not Moab) and saw 2 vehicles over several days while temperatures never let down below 112. To walk out of these places would be impossible and forget about cell phones. You must have a lot of confidence in your rig, know how to fix it and pack the right parts in case something does go wrong. Overlanding is not the same as wheeling at the local 4x4 park.

A Suburban is a great platform to build an overlander/expo rig/weekend trail rider rig. Look at Mosesburb’s ’72 Sub. He is well on his way to having a sweet rig he could drive from Alaska to Argentina on any road, trail and off shoot that would be involved along the way.

Below is what I love about overlanding, expedition rigs, or whatever you want to call it….getting to places where there are no other soles in sight. No truggies, buggies, jackholes on ATV’s tearing up a trail or asshat trailer queen rock crawlers throwing beer cans all over the trail. Just nice quite nature where only you and your well-built off-roadster will take you a good 8 to 12 hours away from anything resembling civilization. Overlanding is the total opposite of playing stomper 4x4 in an off-road park but don't think you can get there in a Subaru Outback or bone stock F150.


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That looks like some serious fun. I would love to one day have an expedition rig capable of that type of trip. Definitely not my current K5, but maybe some day.
 
Im building my trooper because of my location in the country. Theres no way I could wheel what I want in a fullsize on the road. How ever if I was more midwest or alaska/canada located Id be building a bobbed suburban for sure.
 
Thanks Larry!
When I started the suburban, it was to be my weekend warrior. Hunting rig where living out of it for a week would only need to accommodate myself and a buddy, not the family. The kind of outdoor adventure where I set up a base camp with everything being unloaded from the rig. Or with myself and hunting buddies being able to pack most of our gear on our backs. We would just be cruising the logging roads of Oregon. Than the weekends where buddies want to go run a local trail or two, I wanted it to be capable. The snow has also always been a highlight for me every year. Anyways, as with everything in life, plans change from time to time. Jessica became more and more interested in the backcountry way of adventure exploring. With her wanting to do more backpacking and high lakes fishing the suburban plans have to be tweaked a bit.
Mostly just doing interior upgrades to accommodate Jess and Brycen on extended trips.

Back on the subject though, I've always thought that 40" would be the tallest a tire would ever be for me. Recently a buddy keeps trying to convince me of going to the 41" pitbull or 42" irok. I like the idea, than I drive the Sub the way it is. I don't think that anything larger 38" is practical for all around performance. My Toyos are the large metric 37 equivelant. They ride sweet, plenty of clearance, look proportional to vehicle size, would have traction if the were new M/Ts instead of A/Ts.
The vehicle is border line to tall for accessability to the back. So I just gravitate back to the 37/38" sizes.

Now for my next question. M/Ts or A/Ts?:popcorn:
 
I dont know how the soil is in your neck of the woods but the coast has alot of clay and the a/t's on my dodge slick out real quick when I get off gravel with it.
 
Larry's being modest. Here's a closer picture of his well thought out purpose-designed back country rig. Makes you wonder how a chicken farmer comes up with such a great design concept:
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What does everyone here prefer?
Chevy/GMC, duh!

I get into the "overlanding" activity as well, but more as a camping/recreation/vacation thing than actually being 2 days drive from civilization. I agree that the 4-wheeling is cooler when it's the only way to reach a cool destination, than just for the sake of getting the rig dirty.

I see Land Cruisers and Land Rovers more than anything and they call 33's "big". Most of the mods are just catalog bolt-ons. So the idea is that these vehicles work better because they are small/light and they are reliable. Now I can agree with the reliability of the Toyota's - but those british rigs are always returning to the dealer - and where is the dealer in the bush? And in my mind an old Chevy in good shape is dead simple and reliable. I think a guy who knows his way around an old vehicle is safer out there than a guy in a newer rig that gets its oil changed at the dealer.

But these little rigs aren't smaller or lighter by the time they hit the trail. They end up with giant bumpers that hold tires, jacks, shovel, jerry cans, etc. and a giant roof rack full of gear or a roof-top-tent. In a full-size you can put all that stuff inside and sleep in the vehicle, too. With a 31-gallon fuel tank you don't need all those jerry cans - even more true if you have a diesel. The roof of my K5 on 37s is no higher than a stock land cruiser with an RTT. And bumper to bumper it's shorter.
 
I like the concept of overlanding but to really do it you either need to be trust fund babies, independently wealthy or unemployed with several grand in the bank (see wealthy). Otherwise who else can hop in their rig and take half a year to drive from Alaska to Argentina or ship their rig overseas and track across Africa and blog about it...

I think most of us fall into the camping/wheeling/ weekend warrior category. But hey, that's just my view of it. When I win the lotto I'll buy my diesel Patrol and head out of town indefinitely...
 
Makes you wonder how a chicken farmer comes up with such a great design concept

Chicken Farmer!? Now I have been called a lot of things before but never a Chicken Farmer. That is a good one Tim! :haha:


Is going to the Rubicon overlanding ?

No, going to the Rubicon is not overlanding. According to the self-proclaimed experts at Expedition Portal below are their definitions. :haha:

Backcountry Adventure: A one-day, or multi-day off-highway trip in an adventure motorcycle or 4wd.

Overland(ing): Vehicle-supported, self-reliant adventure travel, typically on remote, secondary or unimproved roads or tracks.

Vehicle-Dependent Expedition: An organized, vehicle-dependent journey with a defined purpose, often geographic or scientific in nature.

Expedition Vehicle: A 4wd or adventure motorcycle prepared for self-reliant travel over long distances, through unpredictable weather and over variable terrain

With that, I think most of us fall into the backcountry adventure category
 
All of those defintions are pretty vague and can overlap. What is the difference between vehicle-supported and vehicle-dependant? This could maybe include pulling a camper while traveling back roads.

What counts as an "Expedition vehicle" depends on your defintion of "prepared".

I would define backcountry adventure as a day trip or an overnight wheeling trip where you use restaurants/hotels/campgrounds or such. Overlanding would imply you are covering some distance and everything you need is with you ("self-reliant"), but it seems like that could be as short as a couple of days.

Sure the people who ship a fleet of high $$ vehicles to central Africa will get more press, but I think this is a sport for anybody with a spirit of adventure. I bet most of us have places where we can be in back-country and self reliant out of our rigs in less than a days drive. Other than a reliable vehicle, you just need some basics - refrigerator (aux battery is nice here as well), cooking gear, sleeping accomodations, maps/gps, recovery gear, hygiene provisions, etc. In many ways all we're talking about is an extended wheeling trip with camping. Many of us have already combined them in the past.
 
I guess for me I consider the difference between adventure and overland being the night life.
Backcountry Adventure being a trip in where we set up a camp.
Overland Expedition being an extended multi-day trip where camp is set up and broke down everyday.

An adventure has a loose plan. A location in mind to do whatever when we get there.
An expedition has a daily plan and schedule. The in between of the schedule can be modified as needed but ultimately needs to stay fairly on track.

Either one is still considered vehicle reliant to me.
 
Is it Pewe from one of the mags that does the DED: dirt every day. The whole idea is not taking the highway/ most direct path but to go out of the way to take dirt roads where ever you go to get to your destination. That's pretty cool.
 
I will throw down my 2 cents here, as thats not worth much anymore.

I don't have an expedition rig and the chance of me building something as cool as Larrys is pretty low.

I do however know a whole lot of guys who do overland wheeling. Several day to several month trips.

Their idea of wheeling and mine differ. Their idea is following already prescribed trails, while those trails may require 4 wd sometimes they would rarely require anything bigger than a 31" tire, since most roads ( I use this term very loosely) are or were dirt at one time or another.

I think tire size is really dependent on the vehicle. I know a couple that used a burb as an expedition vehicle, they started out on 33s, went to 40s, back down to 35s and ended up on 37s. The reason for this is they needed the extra clearance because of the extra size of the rig. I had talked to them quite a bit and since rovers and even FJ60s are quite a bit smaller they can get away with the smaller tire.

IMHO from talking to the folks I know it seems you fit the smallest tire you think you can get away with.

In our huge rigs 35s to 37s seem to work well. I might add that with 37s on an expedition rig I would consider one tons mandatory.

Just remember Larry there are alot of us hillbilly rockcrawlers that pick up the beer cans after those who do that kind of thing
 
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