Photo comparison - 9.75" Wagon Wheel vs. Hummer Wheel

[Greg72]

Here are a couple of interesting shots..... I swapped my "spare" tire from a generic 16.5" x 9.75" Wagon Wheel steelie to a Hummer Beadlock (16.5" x 8.25") with some interesting results.....




Overall wheel width:

Wagon Wheel = 11.25"
Hummer Wheel = 10.00"

Difference in width is only 1.25" (Not the 1.5" you'd expect) the Hummer wheel doesn't look as "skinny" as I'd feared...

Interesting shot to illustrate difference in wheel offset. (This view would represent a driver's side wheel from above...axle would be to the right of wheels)

Measurements from rear wheel lip to WMS:

Wagon wheel = 4.75" Backspacing
Hummer Wheel = 7.25" Backspacing

Not surprisingly, the Hummer wheel will "tuck" the tires under the truck 2.5 additional inches....

Backside of Hummer Wheel with PVC beadlock installed, prior to installation of top wheel face.

It didn't take long to learn to hate those PVC beadlocks, as they are a real pain to install.... I did learn the "secret" before too much suffering. I'm sure anyone already running this setup knows what I'm talking about!!!

Anyway, I wanted to air it up and do a side-by-side on my truck to show the difference in "tire bulge" as well as how the additional offset pulls the tires/wheels under the Blazer, but I ran out of daylight.....maybe tomorrow?

Anyway, I don't recall ever seeing a side-by-side comparison of these two wheels types before so I thought I'd put this one together in case anyone was interested.

 

[darkshadow]

cool interesting shots, good to know

 

[74757685k5]

what is the size of the TSL ? 38\15.50?

 

[Greg72]

what is the size of the TSL ? 38\15.50?

38.5" x 16.0" x 16.5"

 

[OffRoad]

what's the secret? i have to know.

 

[yeild2me]

Kinda hard to explain, but I will try....

Prop tire on something 8-10" tall (i.e. another rim, bricks, etc.)

Place PVC perpendicular to tire and place your toes inside the PVC (they will be pigeon toed)

Sparay a little lube ( I used PB Blaster).

Pick up on the tire bead and after the insert sllides in, stand the tire up and turn the insert so it is inside the tire.

Kinda hard to explain, so thats why I think he said "you know what I'm talkin about".

Rob

 

[4X4HIGH]

So Greg, how do you propose to inflate that tire without an air compressor, or are you going to drive it to a service station? Sounds like a good time to go buy a NEW air compressor.

 

[Greg72]

So Greg, how do you propose to inflate that tire without an air compressor, or are you going to drive it to a service station? Sounds like a good time to go buy a NEW air compressor.

I have to buy a compressor.....which will run on a 220V circuit which I also don't have.... For now, I'll just have to "simply" lift that tire into my truck and pop about $1 worth of quarters into the air station at the local gas station...... I need some local friends.


The comment about the PVC beadlock is 100% correct and is exactly what I figured out too.... Step 1 is getting the tire slightly propped-up, then go after it with the beadlock at a 90-degree angle to the opening (seems counterintuitive at first)....by forcing it that way, it will "break over" the outer bead pretty easily, and will be encapulated inside the tire carcass. From there, with a little kicking and twisting, you can re-position it correctly against both beads (laying flat) and then drop that whole assembly onto the rear part of the Hummer wheel assembly. You can forget about trying to push that beadlock straight onto the tire and over the bead......you'll die of old age before THAT happens!

 

[Emmettology 101]

Cool write up!


Stazworks has a thing on their site about how to install the PVC rings. They take a ratchet strap and.....

Well they have a good write up HERE

No sense in retyping it.

 

[Greg72]

UPDATE:


This just in...... Even a 16.5" wheel will have problems clearing a D60 caliper when it has 7.25" of backspacing!!!!

The caliper hits.....and so does the knuckle near the "stock" tie rod hanger.....and so does the TRE on my High-Steer setup.... ARRRGH!!!

I've got pics of all the problem areas....and I gave up on the front mounted wheel for my "demo photography" so I mounted it on the back, where it fits nicely. There's something odd about seeing a 16" wide Swamper that DOESN'T stick out of the stock wheelwell, though.....

New Pics!!!

Caliper Hits!

Knuckle Hits!

HighSteer (TRE) Hits!

Alright......obviously the FRONT is not going to get us any cool photos....let's try the rear axle instead:

Here's the BEFORE shot: (3 5/8" stickout from fender to outside edge of tire)

And the AFTER shot: (1/4" of stickout with Hummer wheel/tire setup)

Hummer Tire view from rear....."stock" Wagon Wheel up front....

Perhaps a better angle to show the "tuck under"????

 

[joez]

So, does this mean you have ditched the Tireloc's and are going with hummers

 

[Greg72]

So, does this mean you have ditched the Tireloc's and are going with hummers

Not at all.....it's just that the Hummer wheels came with those PVC inners, so I'm trying them out "as delivered".....plus, I only have ONE set of TireLocs.....and this is my second set of wheels.

Now I need another set of tires also..... it never ends.

 

[joez]

Ok, i get it now.

 

[RaisedK5]

16/38.5R16.5 TSLs on Hummers?????? Man thats a baddass combo Greg!

Mine were recentered but they dont stick out too far.

 

[Greg72]

BTT - More photos added...

 

[4X4HIGH]

Hey Greg, i see the nice amount of rust you have there.

Maybe you should move back here to the left coast where you don't have those kinds of trouble in 6 months, hell, unless you live ON the COAST you will never have those troubles here as you know. Also, you have many LOCAL friends here to help you out when needed.

SO, when you moving back?