Polaris
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There is a local guy here who lost his ear when a chain broke and came into the cab /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif. Safety first, my friends! Thanks for posting the reminder /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
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Please be careful with tow straps
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Emmettology 101
3/4 ton status
In all my years of wheeling while using chains or straps, I've never seen anything like that before. I have broken chains AND straps, yet never had that happen.. One night I had Emmett stuck in a rather large hole and hooked up my friend using a Superwinch 3" or 4" wide strap that was 20-30 ft long. This was a strap that was guarunteed for life. Well we ripped it the very first time I used it. My truck was stuck so bad that my friend in a 67 long bed was backing up to my bumper and getting a run for it and barely moving me each time. This wasn't smart, but it was late and everyone was out of the way(both drivers staying down)... Anytime I have had a strap break it always falls within feet of where it broke... And I had one chain come up on my hood, but it didn't have much velocity and stopped half way up....
I am goign to agree with others here that it was hooked up or combined right. Wonder if they were using a clevis to combine them?
Oh and BTW, I returned my superwinch strap back to them for warranty after it broke and I received a new one with a letter stating that they would not warranty this one. LOL /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
I am goign to agree with others here that it was hooked up or combined right. Wonder if they were using a clevis to combine them?
Oh and BTW, I returned my superwinch strap back to them for warranty after it broke and I received a new one with a letter stating that they would not warranty this one. LOL /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
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In all my years of wheeling while using chains or straps, I've never seen anything like that before. I have broken chains AND straps, yet never had that happen.. One night I had Emmett stuck in a rather large hole and hooked up my friend using a Superwinch 3" or 4" wide strap that was 20-30 ft long. This was a strap that was guarunteed for life. Well we ripped it the very first time I used it. My truck was stuck so bad that my friend in a 67 long bed was backing up to my bumper and getting a run for it and barely moving me each time. This wasn't smart, but it was late and everyone was out of the way(both drivers staying down)...
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If you need more than a 5' run to get someone out it's time to get the shovel out first. Anyone taking more of a run at it than that needs to have their head examined. If the strap manages to kill them I consider it population control.
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I am goign to agree with others here that it was hooked up or combined right. Wonder if they were using a clevis to combine them?
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There was a whole lot of stupid involved. The retard in the truck spun his tires excessively and caused the snow to melt and turn into ice. They should've gotten the shovel out first. I'm a lazy putz and even I get out the shovel first. Chances are if they'd used the shovel first and he'd rolled on the throttle just as the strap got taught there would've been enough recoil to get the Heep out. But alas, stupid people breed.
In all my years of wheeling while using chains or straps, I've never seen anything like that before. I have broken chains AND straps, yet never had that happen.. One night I had Emmett stuck in a rather large hole and hooked up my friend using a Superwinch 3" or 4" wide strap that was 20-30 ft long. This was a strap that was guarunteed for life. Well we ripped it the very first time I used it. My truck was stuck so bad that my friend in a 67 long bed was backing up to my bumper and getting a run for it and barely moving me each time. This wasn't smart, but it was late and everyone was out of the way(both drivers staying down)...
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If you need more than a 5' run to get someone out it's time to get the shovel out first. Anyone taking more of a run at it than that needs to have their head examined. If the strap manages to kill them I consider it population control.
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I am goign to agree with others here that it was hooked up or combined right. Wonder if they were using a clevis to combine them?
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There was a whole lot of stupid involved. The retard in the truck spun his tires excessively and caused the snow to melt and turn into ice. They should've gotten the shovel out first. I'm a lazy putz and even I get out the shovel first. Chances are if they'd used the shovel first and he'd rolled on the throttle just as the strap got taught there would've been enough recoil to get the Heep out. But alas, stupid people breed.
Emmettology 101
3/4 ton status
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If you need more than a 5' run to get someone out it's time to get the shovel out first. Anyone taking more of a run at it than that needs to have their head examined. If the strap manages to kill them I consider it population control.
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There was no harm involved and precautions were takin... Straps are designed to not store energy and to fall within a few feet to keep people out of harm.. Never would've done that with a chain.
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There was a whole lot of stupid involved. The retard in the truck spun his tires excessively and caused the snow to melt and turn into ice. They should've gotten the shovel out first. I'm a lazy putz and even I get out the shovel first. Chances are if they'd used the shovel first and he'd rolled on the throttle just as the strap got taught there would've been enough recoil to get the Heep out. But alas, stupid people breed.
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If you watched the vid, they had the shovels out and an axe chopping at the ice and ground. But I am wondering if they hooked up a strap and chain and with the chain broke, flinging the strap with it.....
If you need more than a 5' run to get someone out it's time to get the shovel out first. Anyone taking more of a run at it than that needs to have their head examined. If the strap manages to kill them I consider it population control.
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There was no harm involved and precautions were takin... Straps are designed to not store energy and to fall within a few feet to keep people out of harm.. Never would've done that with a chain.
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There was a whole lot of stupid involved. The retard in the truck spun his tires excessively and caused the snow to melt and turn into ice. They should've gotten the shovel out first. I'm a lazy putz and even I get out the shovel first. Chances are if they'd used the shovel first and he'd rolled on the throttle just as the strap got taught there would've been enough recoil to get the Heep out. But alas, stupid people breed.
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If you watched the vid, they had the shovels out and an axe chopping at the ice and ground. But I am wondering if they hooked up a strap and chain and with the chain broke, flinging the strap with it.....
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There was no harm involved and precautions were takin... Straps are designed to not store energy and to fall within a few feet to keep people out of harm.. Never would've done that with a chain.
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I didn't see much in the way of precautions involved. If you need that much of a "run" at something then you need to find a different approach. That Jeep probably weighed 2800lbs and that truck was probably around 4,000. When you're doing that kind of stupid you're guaranteed to ruin something... just hopefully it isn't a diamond-shaped frame, bent springs, or a tow hook through the back of someone's head.
As far as straps not storing energy... eh? A recovery strap is a giant rubber band... do rubber bands not store energy? If you think so... stretch a rubber band aimed right at your eyeball and release the other end. I think you'll find that they store quite a bit of energy. It's easy to see a 30' 2" strap stretch 5'... and it goes back to 30' when the load is released... does it not have energy in it when it's stretched to 35'?
Chains don't store much energy, especially transport chain. It bends before it breaks whereas Grade 8 chain has a habit of storing energy.
From when I've watched recovery straps work they seem to work a lot better when you roll the throttle on, stretching the strap to the maximum and the recoil that tries to pull the recovery vehicle backwards is what gets the recovered vehicle out. The "balls to the wall stupid pedal to the floor" method of jerking the [darn] out of the vehicles only seems to break stuff.
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If you watched the vid, they had the shovels out and an axe chopping at the ice and ground. But I am wondering if they hooked up a strap and chain and with the chain broke, flinging the strap with it.....
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The stupidity starts at the 1:00 mark.
To me, it looked like they put the strap around the stock rear bumper. At least they didn't put it around the bumperette... They put it on the side NOT in the hole (doh). To me, that was a whole lot of stupid. They did a whole lot of nothing with the hatchet and spade.
At about the 2:15 mark you can see that the two straps were looped together.
There was no harm involved and precautions were takin... Straps are designed to not store energy and to fall within a few feet to keep people out of harm.. Never would've done that with a chain.
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I didn't see much in the way of precautions involved. If you need that much of a "run" at something then you need to find a different approach. That Jeep probably weighed 2800lbs and that truck was probably around 4,000. When you're doing that kind of stupid you're guaranteed to ruin something... just hopefully it isn't a diamond-shaped frame, bent springs, or a tow hook through the back of someone's head.
As far as straps not storing energy... eh? A recovery strap is a giant rubber band... do rubber bands not store energy? If you think so... stretch a rubber band aimed right at your eyeball and release the other end. I think you'll find that they store quite a bit of energy. It's easy to see a 30' 2" strap stretch 5'... and it goes back to 30' when the load is released... does it not have energy in it when it's stretched to 35'?
Chains don't store much energy, especially transport chain. It bends before it breaks whereas Grade 8 chain has a habit of storing energy.
From when I've watched recovery straps work they seem to work a lot better when you roll the throttle on, stretching the strap to the maximum and the recoil that tries to pull the recovery vehicle backwards is what gets the recovered vehicle out. The "balls to the wall stupid pedal to the floor" method of jerking the [darn] out of the vehicles only seems to break stuff.
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If you watched the vid, they had the shovels out and an axe chopping at the ice and ground. But I am wondering if they hooked up a strap and chain and with the chain broke, flinging the strap with it.....
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The stupidity starts at the 1:00 mark.
To me, it looked like they put the strap around the stock rear bumper. At least they didn't put it around the bumperette... They put it on the side NOT in the hole (doh). To me, that was a whole lot of stupid. They did a whole lot of nothing with the hatchet and spade.
At about the 2:15 mark you can see that the two straps were looped together.
Emmettology 101
3/4 ton status
Ok, i used the wrong wording when I said it doesn't store energy.. But I have never seen a strap snap back like that ever..(that far and with that much force)
And I was not defending the people in that video in anyway.. I think there was alot of stupidity involved but they did have the shovel out.. I was just defending my story.
And sometimes it is necessary to use that type of force to extract a vehicle when it is dug in pretty deep. Especially at 4am, out in the middle of no where when there isn't anyone to call.
What I dont understand is it looked liek the silver/white TJ had a winch. Why didn't they use it? At one point it looks like they try, but keep the TJ in the snow and not secured to anything. No crap it isn't goign to pull the YJ out.
And I was not defending the people in that video in anyway.. I think there was alot of stupidity involved but they did have the shovel out.. I was just defending my story.
And sometimes it is necessary to use that type of force to extract a vehicle when it is dug in pretty deep. Especially at 4am, out in the middle of no where when there isn't anyone to call.
What I dont understand is it looked liek the silver/white TJ had a winch. Why didn't they use it? At one point it looks like they try, but keep the TJ in the snow and not secured to anything. No crap it isn't goign to pull the YJ out.
Oh, they hold a [darn]-ton of energy. The rubber-bands of bungee jumping is enough to tear limbs off and people only get up to 70mph... Imagine a couple two-ton trucks going 15mph and still being on the throttle when it goes tight.
I learned respect for recovery straps when I saw the aftermath of a 1 7/8" trailer hitch ball going through the bed, back of the cab, back of the rear seat, back of the front seat, and getting lodged in the dash of a Furd. To this day I can't believe it went through all that metal but it did. I'm just glad I wasn't around when that can of stupid was opened.
I'd never yank that hard on something because I don't like breaking crap. I've had to get a couple feet run at a rig before and I didn't much care for it. The initial jerk then me rolling on the throttle trying to get the recoil to snatch 'em out was nerve-wracking. My truck weighs around 4500 in trail form and that truck was probably at least 5500. All with a 3x30 strap.
Maybe I'm just spoiled because of having a rig that weighs 4500 and having lockers so I can static pull most stuff out. Worst case I can start idling then just as the strap gets tight roll on the throttle and then as I run out of stretch it starts to pull me backwards and that usually gets the vehicle out.
On another note, I think they could've gotten it out if they put the strap on the side in the hole and spent another 10 minutes with the hatchet and shovel. It looked to me like it was sitting on the gas tank so that means the axle was probably catching on the edge of the hole.
I'd probably used a snatch block off a tree in the woods on the camera man's side of the Jeep with the cable hooked to the passenger side of the Jeep on the rear bumper. Then tie the winching Jeep off the truck and the YJ probably would've practically eased out of the hole. But I don't think they looked at the whole picture which is easy to forget to do when you get stuck and get excited.
I've been victim of someone getting excited and in a hurry when I was just moseying along getting myself out. It cost me a tire due to a spaz hitting it with an axe. Sure, "my way" of getting myself out would've taken a while... but after the spaz hitting my tire with the axe we were out there more than twice as long as if I'd been left be. And I had a 2" long slice in the sidewall of a tire.
As of right now I'm the heaviest vehicle with a winch and own the only winch with cable bigger than 5/16" in the club. We'll see what happens this year. It'll be strange without BurbBoy and GMCLegacy to get everyone out.
I learned respect for recovery straps when I saw the aftermath of a 1 7/8" trailer hitch ball going through the bed, back of the cab, back of the rear seat, back of the front seat, and getting lodged in the dash of a Furd. To this day I can't believe it went through all that metal but it did. I'm just glad I wasn't around when that can of stupid was opened.
I'd never yank that hard on something because I don't like breaking crap. I've had to get a couple feet run at a rig before and I didn't much care for it. The initial jerk then me rolling on the throttle trying to get the recoil to snatch 'em out was nerve-wracking. My truck weighs around 4500 in trail form and that truck was probably at least 5500. All with a 3x30 strap.
Maybe I'm just spoiled because of having a rig that weighs 4500 and having lockers so I can static pull most stuff out. Worst case I can start idling then just as the strap gets tight roll on the throttle and then as I run out of stretch it starts to pull me backwards and that usually gets the vehicle out.
On another note, I think they could've gotten it out if they put the strap on the side in the hole and spent another 10 minutes with the hatchet and shovel. It looked to me like it was sitting on the gas tank so that means the axle was probably catching on the edge of the hole.
I'd probably used a snatch block off a tree in the woods on the camera man's side of the Jeep with the cable hooked to the passenger side of the Jeep on the rear bumper. Then tie the winching Jeep off the truck and the YJ probably would've practically eased out of the hole. But I don't think they looked at the whole picture which is easy to forget to do when you get stuck and get excited.
I've been victim of someone getting excited and in a hurry when I was just moseying along getting myself out. It cost me a tire due to a spaz hitting it with an axe. Sure, "my way" of getting myself out would've taken a while... but after the spaz hitting my tire with the axe we were out there more than twice as long as if I'd been left be. And I had a 2" long slice in the sidewall of a tire.
As of right now I'm the heaviest vehicle with a winch and own the only winch with cable bigger than 5/16" in the club. We'll see what happens this year. It'll be strange without BurbBoy and GMCLegacy to get everyone out.
84_Chevy_K10
Banned
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As of right now I'm the heaviest vehicle with a winch and own the only winch with cable bigger than 5/16" in the club. We'll see what happens this year. It'll be strange without BurbBoy and GMCLegacy to get everyone out.
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All I have to say is that I wouldn't depend on that winch as much as you think....
Mine has been a notorious piece of crap every time I've tried to use it.
As of right now I'm the heaviest vehicle with a winch and own the only winch with cable bigger than 5/16" in the club. We'll see what happens this year. It'll be strange without BurbBoy and GMCLegacy to get everyone out.
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All I have to say is that I wouldn't depend on that winch as much as you think....
Mine has been a notorious piece of crap every time I've tried to use it.
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As of right now I'm the heaviest vehicle with a winch and own the only winch with cable bigger than 5/16" in the club. We'll see what happens this year. It'll be strange without BurbBoy and GMCLegacy to get everyone out.
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All I have to say is that I wouldn't depend on that winch as much as you think....
Mine has been a notorious piece of crap every time I've tried to use it.
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Changing your tune about it now, eh? So what has happened?
The only complaint I have about mine so far as far as equipment goes is that the roller fairlead is a piece of sh¡t.
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As of right now I'm the heaviest vehicle with a winch and own the only winch with cable bigger than 5/16" in the club. We'll see what happens this year. It'll be strange without BurbBoy and GMCLegacy to get everyone out.
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All I have to say is that I wouldn't depend on that winch as much as you think....
Mine has been a notorious piece of crap every time I've tried to use it.
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Changing your tune about it now, eh? So what has happened?
The only complaint I have about mine so far as far as equipment goes is that the roller fairlead is a piece of sh¡t.
Emmettology 101
3/4 ton status
See, I would never hook to a hitch ball for pulling. They shatter easily when shock loads are introduced... SOme of the 4x mags had articles on this subject back in the day..... I would only hook up with a clevis.... Luckily of all the years of mudding and yanking straps and chains, I never witnessed the damage a strap or chain could do.... All the broken strap I have had stop not long after breaking and dont react as horribly as the one in the vid did.
Emmettology 101
3/4 ton status
What winch do you have? My Warn never gave me any problems.... But i have a few friends that have Ramsey and they have given them problems alot. Mainly in the control box(where the power, gorund and remote plugs in)...
84_Chevy_K10
Banned
Mine is a milemarker E-12000.
The design is too compact to hold 100' of cable unless it is re-spooled by a machine.
I am going to end up cutting off about 25' of cable.
This damn thing pisses me off more and more every time I use it.
Milemarker electrics do have their place in this business.....ON A TRAILER!!!
The design is too compact to hold 100' of cable unless it is re-spooled by a machine.
I am going to end up cutting off about 25' of cable.
This damn thing pisses me off more and more every time I use it.
Milemarker electrics do have their place in this business.....ON A TRAILER!!!
That's kind of funny... I only have 7 wraps on the outermost layer of cable... I could probably fit another 15' of cable on there and still have loose wraps.
I take it you have a rat's nest of cable like all the 8274 guys?
I went downstairs and took a picture of it a minute ago:
I take it you have a rat's nest of cable like all the 8274 guys?
I went downstairs and took a picture of it a minute ago:
Emmettology 101
3/4 ton status
Ya, it is especially important to wrap up your line nicely if you are still using cable as you could kink it if you just wind it up whereever it wants to go... With rope, you dont have to worry about kinking but you should still take the extra couple mins to wind it up nicely.
wasted wages
1 ton status
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I'd probably used a snatch block off a tree in the woods on the camera man's side of the Jeep with the cable hooked to the passenger side of the Jeep on the rear bumper. Then tie the winching Jeep off the truck and the YJ probably would've practically eased out of the hole. But I don't think they looked at the whole picture which is easy to forget to do when you get stuck and get excited
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I agree,,people get too excited and get stupid listening to all the "experts" in the group.
A properly anchored truck with a winch,a few snatch blocks, and some common sense and the heeps out in 20 minutes,,tops
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Saw a dude lose his leg many years ago in Florida when a
shackle on a strap slipped off a trailer ball and the recoil hit a bystander,,damn near killed the guy due to blood loss,,some people are so stupid and learn the painful hard way.
I'd probably used a snatch block off a tree in the woods on the camera man's side of the Jeep with the cable hooked to the passenger side of the Jeep on the rear bumper. Then tie the winching Jeep off the truck and the YJ probably would've practically eased out of the hole. But I don't think they looked at the whole picture which is easy to forget to do when you get stuck and get excited
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I agree,,people get too excited and get stupid listening to all the "experts" in the group.
A properly anchored truck with a winch,a few snatch blocks, and some common sense and the heeps out in 20 minutes,,tops
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Saw a dude lose his leg many years ago in Florida when a
shackle on a strap slipped off a trailer ball and the recoil hit a bystander,,damn near killed the guy due to blood loss,,some people are so stupid and learn the painful hard way.
84_Chevy_K10
Banned
I always re-spool my cable nicely after I'm done with using my winch, but every time I spool it out and I'm pulling something with it, it goes back onto the drum however it wants, and I end up with a freekin' mess.
Maybe I'll just put synthetic cable on it eventually so it can stack on top of itself without damage.
There really isn't any excuse for 5/16" cable being a mess on the drum, it's much easier to work with, but 3/8" is a mess, all the time, even the guy from Milemarker told me that.
I disagree with ya'll about using a winch to extract a stuck rig every time. I hate using winches. I always use a strap to extract a rig if possible, it's much easier, safer, and most of the time, faster and easier on the equipment, too.
Maybe I'll just put synthetic cable on it eventually so it can stack on top of itself without damage.
There really isn't any excuse for 5/16" cable being a mess on the drum, it's much easier to work with, but 3/8" is a mess, all the time, even the guy from Milemarker told me that.
I disagree with ya'll about using a winch to extract a stuck rig every time. I hate using winches. I always use a strap to extract a rig if possible, it's much easier, safer, and most of the time, faster and easier on the equipment, too.
mcinfantry
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7/16 and 1/2 are easy enough for me. why is 3/8 such a bother???
justinf
1/2 ton status
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I disagree with ya'll about using a winch to extract a stuck rig every time. I hate using winches. I always use a strap to extract a rig if possible, it's much easier, safer, and most of the time, faster and easier on the equipment, too.
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The group I wheel with also doesn't use the winches very often, even though almost everyone has one, much quicker to just hook a strap up, quick yank, and you are on your way.
I disagree with ya'll about using a winch to extract a stuck rig every time. I hate using winches. I always use a strap to extract a rig if possible, it's much easier, safer, and most of the time, faster and easier on the equipment, too.
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The group I wheel with also doesn't use the winches very often, even though almost everyone has one, much quicker to just hook a strap up, quick yank, and you are on your way.
84_Chevy_K10
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7/16 and 1/2 are easy enough for me. why is 3/8 such a bother???
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Because the drum is too damn small for the cable size.
7/16 and 1/2 are easy enough for me. why is 3/8 such a bother???
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Because the drum is too damn small for the cable size.
Pretty much all electric winches have a 2.5" diameter drum. 3/8" cable doesn't like to wrap around anything smaller than 4". Plus, the strength of the cable is down quite a bit when you get as small as the 2.5".
