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Pound for pound, inch for inch bogger is the king... which comes after?
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dirtwarrior17
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Baja claws are an awesome tire... just not in mud... they gum up real quick that is unless your running 46" claws... then they can run with the boggers, but that is more floatation then tread design.
dirtwarrior17
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LOL.... I wish they made a bogger that could last 50,000. that would be awesome.
I'm goin for hawgs for my next tire...
how long do hawgs last (miles)?
I'm goin for hawgs for my next tire...
how long do hawgs last (miles)?
sled_dog said:Really?? I've never seen it myself but been told about Hawgs just gumming up in mud and doing jack.
49" IROKs would probably number 1 nowadays
My 38" Hawgs clean way better than my friends 36" Iroks.
I pick Hawgs over Boggers.
justinf
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For running in mud, I would definitely pick the bogger, IF you have the motor and/or gearing to spin them easily. Behind the bogger, I would definitely pick the TSL. In fact when I used to mud race, I ran boggers on the rear and TSL's on the front.
I have no experience with Hawgs or Iroks. But from what I have seen of other trucks running them, they didn't really impress me all that much. Based on what I have seen of the Hawgs, I would rather get some sort of swamper (TSL, SX, or bogger), but then I don't drive the jeep on the street. For me, it's not worth taking a chance with the money hawgs cost to not be happy with them, I have ran all the types of swampers previously listed, and have been very happy with the performance.
I have no experience with Hawgs or Iroks. But from what I have seen of other trucks running them, they didn't really impress me all that much. Based on what I have seen of the Hawgs, I would rather get some sort of swamper (TSL, SX, or bogger), but then I don't drive the jeep on the street. For me, it's not worth taking a chance with the money hawgs cost to not be happy with them, I have ran all the types of swampers previously listed, and have been very happy with the performance.
But that's probably with a stock bogger...
Around here...we cut-out the center tread...
Nothing beats them...in the mud around here.
Around here...we cut-out the center tread...
Nothing beats them...in the mud around here.
JK5 said:But that's probably with a stock bogger...
Around here...we cut-out the center tread...
Nothing beats them...in the mud around here.
What do you mean center tread? The smaller lugs in between the larger ones? Got any pics?
rcurrier44
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jekbrown said:
Thats also because they had a weak motor. You need some serious motor to make a set of 44" boggers work. Many people don't realize that you actualy hurt yourself in the mud with boggers if you can't spin them hard. You are better off with a hog or tsl in that case.
I don't do any true mudbogging, but most of our trails have quite a few larger holes and ruts to contend with, along with muddy hill climbs. A couple of guys I ride with on a regular basis run Irok's. They are a good tire in the mud but still don't seem to do as good as the TSL's. Both of the Irok equipped rigs have the 36" version and are on smaller vehicles (early Bronco and TJ), so basically when comparing the size of the tire to the size of the vehicle they are running "bigger" tires as compared to the 13/38 TSL's on my K5 or my buddy's F-250. The TJ is a stock 4.0L and the Bronco has a very healthy 351, so both have at least as much or more power to weight ratio in them. The TSL's in this case always seem to do better in mud.
rcurrier44 said:
IIRC the rigs they used to test the tires all have well above average power... they were serious mud rigs that had no problem spinning 46" claws... dont see why such a rig would have a problem with spinning 44 Boggers. If they did, then pretty much all of us would have problems spinning them too.
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The smaller ones...then they cup the larger tread.
I don't have any pics.
I don't have any pics.
dirtwarrior17
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also the claw was actually something like 4 inches bigger in real measurements and was also wider... if they were the same size the claw would have been beat by the bogger.
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jekbrown said:
Your right most everyone on here doesn't have enough motor to push them. The fiew people I know with enough power to push them are running paddle tires
Talk to Tex over on pirate...he will give you the low down on exaclty what combinations work.2 guys who come over for our july mudbogs from Billings are a perfict example of what I am talking about. Bill was running a fairly stock sb350 with 44"tsl's under a blazer framed pickup. Jeff was running a built naturaly asperated BB572 (I think...it is a 570 something) with 44" Boggers under a Ford pickup. Both were running 12-14" of lift, and close to the same gearing. They both built their rigs to be compeditive in the 36-44" street class. The funny thing is that for the 3 years they ran this way they ran almost identicle times. I was asking Jeff about it last year and he said that when he borrowed another guys TSL's for a couple of boggs he did much better. His reasoning was that he didn't have the power to make them work. This year they should both running 49" irocs from what I hear.
For a full size truck with a cammed/intake BB engine you can make a set of 35" boggers work. The most impressive rig at last years boggs was a full bodied suburban with a supercharged 502 and 38" boggers. He skimmed right across the pit like the paddle tired rigs and took 1st in the unlimited class... but he probubly has over 40K into the motor alone! If we get our bogger going again this year we should be able to give him some compitition (460/supercharged/alcahol rear engined rail)
dirtwarrior17
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hahaha.... that rail is going to be pulling wheelies over the pit.
I don't get how a 572 and a mostly stock sbc pushin the same tires would run almost identical times.... IIRC the 572 comes with 500+ hp right? thought i read it was 600 even somewhere but that might have been the world bb.
I think in that case it would be mostly line and not motor... the 572 should have dominated the 350.
I don't get how a 572 and a mostly stock sbc pushin the same tires would run almost identical times.... IIRC the 572 comes with 500+ hp right? thought i read it was 600 even somewhere but that might have been the world bb.
I think in that case it would be mostly line and not motor... the 572 should have dominated the 350.
justinf
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He said one was running TSL's, the other boggers. Like has been said, it takes alot more motor to spin boggers than TSL's. When I used to race, I ran a sbc350 putting out between 350-400hp, and I only ran 33" boggers on the rear only. I tried 35" boggers all the way around, and I got a lot better times with the 33's on the rear and 34x9.5's on the front.
steve_kibbe
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Here's what cut boggers look like
