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Propane Generators?

Stomis

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So with all this storm **** Ive been curious about generators and was considering mounting a stripped out one of the roof racks of the Trooper for juice. I plan on having a propane tank on board for cooking so why not take advantage right?

Does anyone have any experience with them? They're relatively cheap at $280 for a 2800w version.
 
There is not much difference between a propane, gasoline or diesel generator as far as power is concerned.
The actual generator is the same, only the motor is different. A propane generator is basically a regular gasoline generator running on propane.
Most of them will run on both propane and natural gas, with a slightly different rating due to the different amount of energy in the different gases.

For big generators, I personally prefer diesel, but that is due to the availability of fuel.

My cardiologist friend has a big genset at his house that will run his whole two story house with all the equipment.
It runs on natural gas.
Has either a 351 or 460 Ford truck engine running it with a natural gas kit on it. So far, he has had no trouble.

At my farm, I want diesel, since I have no gas lines in the woods. A big propane tank would work, and have the advantage of not having the fuel go bad.

But, after a bad storm, I don't know how long it would be before a propane truck could get to me.
But, I can drive out with my 4wd and some cans to buy diesel and haul it back.

In your case, I see no reason propane should not do fine. Just remember, 2800 watts is not much if you want to run a hot plate or electric heater.
 
There is not much difference between a propane, gasoline or diesel generator as far as power is concerned.
The actual generator is the same, only the motor is different. A propane generator is basically a regular gasoline generator running on propane.
Most of them will run on both propane and natural gas, with a slightly different rating due to the different amount of energy in the different gases.

For big generators, I personally prefer diesel, but that is due to the availability of fuel.

My cardiologist friend has a big genset at his house that will run his whole two story house with all the equipment.
It runs on natural gas.
Has either a 351 or 460 Ford truck engine running it with a natural gas kit on it. So far, he has had no trouble.

At my farm, I want diesel, since I have no gas lines in the woods. A big propane tank would work, and have the advantage of not having the fuel go bad.

But, after a bad storm, I don't know how long it would be before a propane truck could get to me.
But, I can drive out with my 4wd and some cans to buy diesel and haul it back.

In your case, I see no reason propane should not do fine. Just remember, 2800 watts is not much if you want to run a hot plate or electric heater.


Well the idea is to be self sufficient in the truck. It would be nice to be able to run a grinder or drill for repairs and be able to jump start my truck myself in a bad situation. Plus I would be able to use it in situations such as we're experiencing now to run a fridge, couple lights, and keep the laptop plugged in while we watch a movie.

I figure that a 10 amp grinder or drill is 1000w. Obviously using that will probably be independent use. Cooking will be done via propane also on my portable grill. Its just something I'd like to have in my arsenal. Im not set on that size. I would like to be able to run my stick welder on the trail since its so small.
 
I have a small gen 1750? That I converted to LPG. It was plain and simple the best thing I ever did. On gas it always needed the carb cleaned out. On LPG it can sit for 5 years and start on the second pull. I have a 100lb bottle for mine and it will run for 3 days+ on that. If it was hooked to a 1000 gallon house tank it could run for months. A bigger one would use more but if the choice is gas or lpg and you will only use it once in a while lpg is the only way to fly.
 
I have a whole house automatic backup propane generator. (actually it's not mine - I rent this place.) I'm not sure of the rating, but it will run the clothes dryer. I was working in the shop one night when everything went dark. A few seconds later the lights were back on and I kept welding :dunno:. I have no idea how long it will run off the big pig tank in the yard, but with the power out for a couple of days I couldn't see any difference on the gauge. We usually call for a refill when we hit 30%, so even on the low end we could sit through a pretty long power outage. Propane doesn't go bad and doesn't destroy it's own carb. NG is similar, but only available in town. In a real disaster the NG could get turned off, I imagine. But if you don't already have propane at your house, there may be an ordinance against a yard tank and a large tank is a real hassle if you have to drive it in for a refill. Of course, NG is cheaper than propane.

On a vehicle, gas or diesel makes sense because you already have fresh fuel available - although you might want a provision to keep from draining the tank and stranding yourself. For a house, I imagine rotating the gasoline stock to be too much of a hassle.

Before you buy, look at what it would take to run the fridge and furnace in your house (+ water pump if you have a well). Hopefully you don't have an electric water heater.

Or save some $$ and get the noise and fume generator from Hazard Fraught.
 
There is a site online that has the instructions for converting a Tecumseh or Walbro carb to use propane with slight modifications...been pondering doing that to one of my tractors,so I wont have the hassles of gummed up carbs and other ethanol related woes....the site is www.theepicenter.com ......................they also sell many SHTF items like MRE's and alternative energy products,and have info on making a generator from a altenator and a small engine using an inverter,and they also sell parts to make doing it easier.................................................................................................I wouldn't mind having a ac generator mounted on my trucks engine,it would be nice to have enough power availabe to keep the furnace and lights and well pump going until the power is restored after an outage...but it probably would cost a fortune if you had to run it very long...
 
How do you guys keep from back-feeding the power from your generators back through the power line dropped to your house?
Obviously some of you are just plugging stuff directly into your generators but it sounds like others are full-on powering their entire house.
 
How do you guys keep from back-feeding the power from your generators back through the power line dropped to your house?
Obviously some of you are just plugging stuff directly into your generators but it sounds like others are full-on powering their entire house.

In my particular setup, i'd only need to pull a couple of tron fuses and i'd be disconnected from the city power. Parts of my home wiring are pretty dated.

Outside of that, alot of panels have a main disconnect somewhere.

Worst case scenario, unhooking the incoming lines. ONE AT A TIME!:D
 
Worst case scenario, unhooking the incoming lines. ONE AT A TIME!:D

I thought about that but figured surely there was no way you suckers were out there disconnecting them every time a storm rolls through. Or at least I hope not. :eek1:
 
I thought about that but figured surely there was no way you suckers were out there disconnecting them every time a storm rolls through. Or at least I hope not. :eek1:

There is a switch you can have an electrician install. Transfer switch or something like that. Never really looked at one. Probably the way it should be done. Just so damn simple with my old house and the fuses.
 
I know guys running them into the drier socket. They flip the main disconnect and plug in. Mine is so small that I can only run the fridge, and the blower on my corn stove.
 
How do you guys keep from back-feeding the power from your generators back through the power line dropped to your house?
Obviously some of you are just plugging stuff directly into your generators but it sounds like others are full-on powering their entire house.

There are two correct ways:

A double pole (or triple pole) double throw switch.

Or a dedicated transfer switch.

There is some overlap here. One can be the other.

With the double throw switch, you hook the house to the common, and when you throw the switch one way, the house is hooked to the line. When you throw it the other way, the common (house) contacts break from the line and make contact with the generator contacts.

The generator and line contacts never move, and there is no connection between them. The common contacts just go from one to the other.

My big genset uses a commercial transfer switch. It has voltage sensors and timers to crank the generator automatically when the power goes off and switch the house to it.

Then it switches it back and turns the generator off when the power comes back on.

But, the main part is two big three pole single throw relays with auxiliary contacts.

Both of them are normally open, and the output of both are hooked to the house.
The input of one is hooked to the line, and the other to the generator.

The power for the coil to pull in each relay, goes through the normally closed auxiliary contacts of the other.
So, when one pulls in, it kills the connection to the coil of the other. Thus it cannot get power to pull in.

At the same time, each one has a fiberglass non-conductive rod attached that sticks between the contacts of the other when one pulls in.

That way, when one pulls in, the other one physically cannot close because the rod is in the way.
But, if one were to weld shut, and not release when the power to the coil drops out, the other one cannot close.
Because the rod cannot get between the contacts of the welded one which means the other one cannot pull in.


Basically, it means that it is critical that you cannot backfeed the line even by accident.
Remember, transformers work both ways.

That transformer on your pole may be stepping 7,200 volts or 12,470 volts down to the 240 you use in your house.
But, if you put 240 back into it, it will supply 7,200 or 12,470 back down the line to the nearest lineman working on the system.

Trust me, linemen, or the survivors, get really cranky when they find a line that is disconnected from the main source is still hot.........

I know that you are really super careful about pulling the fuses or disconnecting the main before hooking up the generator, but would you put a gun to your head and pull the trigger on the say-so of someone else that its unloaded??

That is how the linemen feel......
 

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