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Public Service Announcement - Know your transmission builder

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For those that have followed my build, I replaced a TH350 about 7 years ago. At the recommendation of a mechanic friend who worked where I used to store the K5, I purchased a performance built SS Mega Monster 700R4 from Monster Transmission. It's advertised to handle 650HP.

Fast forward 6 1/2 years and less than 1500 miles, and the transmission appeared to have lost the 3-4 clutch pack on the K5's maiden voyage road trip. :doah:

I placed a call to our resident transmission expert and he suggested I ship it to him. Plan was to see what was really inside the case, salvage anything worthwhile, replace and rebuild the rest. Got the report today. Upon teardown they found:

- The 1800-2000 stall converter I purchased from Monster, was really a bone stock, off the shelf 1500 stall converter and it only gets worse from there...
- "Looks like a good bit of parts were thrown at a worn out core in my observation"
- It had red clutch plates and Kolene steels, these are regarded as "race parts" in most circles, not very durable for extended street use.
- It had 4 pinion front and rear planets which is ok in my book but 5 pinion units would be more in line with a 650HP build.
- None of the bushings were replaced except the pump body and they were badly worn
- Clearences were way off
- Minimal valve body and pump mods were performed beyond those that just make the trans shift harder.
- Pump was out of alignment and had minimal prep
- Stator was worn on the bushing side
- Reverse drum was warped
- The 2-4 band was only making minimal contact.The 2-4 band was also a race type lining and is not a quality piece
- Input sprag race was badly worn on the contact surfaces (it was installed that way)
- Separator plate had been sanded with some kind of disc grinder and was warped
- The input drum and pistons were stock type
- No drum reinforcement at the shaft spline, stock cast pistons, modification of these items which is critical on a high HP unit in a heavy vehicle
- We also found the pump to have been damaged by some type of grinder used to clean up some pump pocket wear which creates huge internal leaks
- On the case itself, both dowel alignment points in the case are worn so we will be resleeving those and repairing quite a few stripped holes with heli coil inserts

With all of that said, I'm surprised the junk made it 1500 miles behind a BBC, much less a :burnout: or two. Monster can $uck it. Expensive lesson learned. But, I couldn't be happier with the analysis and detail provided by the Man and knowing that the "new" one will be more than capable.
 
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Is it safe to guess Mr. Ducato is the transmission saint putting it all right for you?
 
Yeah I never would buy new automatic transmission! I have a buddy who has his own shop and been building them for 25 yrs. One call and $600 buck I can get a built 700R4. Always thought those company's where BS now I know!
 
Based on what I have read from Greg here I'd say that was a very wise choice!
 
I like getting to drink beer while watching my guy built my stuff in one night
 
Based on what I have read from Greg here I'd say that was a very wise choice!
having talked with Greg while troubleshooting my T400 valve body issues, he knows his stuff! Wise choice indeed!
 
another one on the list of Monster tranny nightmares.........
 
Good to know. I always try and use local people and check out their background and experience as best I can. Referrals from people with similar rigs and tendencies are best in my book.
 
I know my transmission builder. I'm very lucky my brother married his daughter :D. I helped him build his barn, just re roofed his other barn. :pimp:
 
One of my friends was another victim of Monster Transmissions. He typically rebuilds his own transmissions but the factory 4L65E destroyed itself including damaging the case and many other parts you typically don't have to replace during a rebuild. Based on that he ordered a Monster trans which, should have been, cheaper and quicker. Less than a year later and around 10k miles it acted up. They would fix it IF he pulled the trans and shipped it back on his own dime (around $400). He went ahead and pulled it apart and found the 2-4 band was the issue and replaced it. The broken band looked pretty cheap. After another year and 25k total miles the trans went completely out. He wasn't about to spend $400 to send the trans back to have it go out again in another year or two and rebuilt it himself. Spent $570 for all the parts and rebuilt it himself and all has been good for going on 3 years now. When he tore it down he found several tolerances way off, cheap frictions, and the biggest issue was the "heavy duty towing" torque converter was trashed.
 

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