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quadrajet shenanigans

How long is it?

Kind of curious how long he continued to work on them. I know it's dated 1966, I would be curious to know if he continued to work on them up to the CCC versions. There was so much that changed in the run, if the guy who designed them wrote baout those changes, I'm sure the explanations would be "fascinating" to those of us that find this stuff interesting.
 
A quick summery of the technical report. I need to reread this and give each topic a better platform for discussion.

The fuel capacity was a problem from day one, and he said they designed the carburetor around a centrally located float with the 'leak points' as close to the float as possible to increase the angle of tip need to bleed fuel through the booster. He claims they have 40 deg of tip before the fuel leaks from the bowl. And, he claims that up to 25% of the fuel evaporates. Then goes out the vent and gets sucked back down the bores, disrupting the air/fuel metering on a hot engine. So a small fuel bowl cuts down on evaporation since cool fresh fuel must flow in, and that improves fuel economy.

The 'air valve secondary' was originally the whole carburetor, there were no primaries. And it was not twin secondary bores, they were one big bore. And, it was designed to accommodate for wide open throttle on a 400ci + engine running at 100% efficiency. Not sure if they were thinking aircraft carb or what. real world constraints split the air valve bores into one for each side of the engine and the primaries were added for low speed. But, somehow, in the end, the primaries deliver 80% of the HP and the secondary delivers 20%. Opening after 50 deg of primary rotation, 50 deg being for drivability, and basically on a 400 ci engine is the 3200 rpm+ carburetor. They found this out after they were testing prototypes, I think he is hinting that the primaries are too big. Something about they forgot about the air cleaner restriction.

It also sounds like they wanted a taller carburetor height. Maybe then correcting the small fuel bowl. But, a design criteria was to fit under lower hoods. The shape of the carburetor is to allow the air cleaner to envelop the carburetor. This allows for a larger filter element and so reduces the vacuum drop.

don't tell anyone where you got this pdf from - I had to delete the cover page to fit in the CK5 upload limit, it was just the journals cover scan.
 

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That's some pretty cool stuff. :)

At that time 60's) IIRC most of the air cleaners had pretty nasty little snorkles on them, wonder if the ones that came out in the early 80's (that appear to have far more area for flow) helped in that regard?

In the mid-60's, they probably weren't even thinking about the 454/455 engines coming down, but 100% efficiency (I'm assuming they mean VE?) at that time would have been pretty/really optimistic.
 
In 1985 Donald Stoltman was honored as

Rochester's Distinguished Inventor of the Carburetor He was called, by his fellow engineers, the “king of carburetion."
Found it here in Rochester's Marvels and Myths by Donovan Shilling 2011
http://books.google.com/books?id=j4PX3cMw8IUC&lpg=PA52&ots=uMtag1KaW_&dq=Donald%20Stoltman%20Rochester%20Engineer&pg=PA52#v=onepage&q=Donald%20Stoltman%20Rochester%20Engineer&f=false

Maybe he was a retiree, it looks like he invented the 'turtle' carburetor in the late 40's; ebay buy it now for $700, I can see the design similarities to the quadrajet If he was a new 24 year old engineer then in '85 he would have been 65. Making him 95 today.

If he is the same Don as given in this article, then he retired in 2003, at 85. It is possible.

According to Don Stoltman, an engineer who recently retired from Delph Corp.
http://www.kettering.edu/news/dolza-family-visits

He has patents for what sounds like electronic carburetors
1979 air and fuel flow modulation http://www.google.com/patents/US4175103
1982 metering rod adjustment http://www.google.com/patents/US4318869

I wonder if he still answers his email?
 
One of the OLD parts stores I worked at,still had a lot of old stock from the 30's to the 60's in the basement...among them was several of those Oldsmobile carbs!..there were a few 4GC Rochesters there too,among many other "weird" carbs..

We had a few of those carbs still on cars at the junkyard too--one guy told us when he bought a 303 50's Olds engine with that type carb for 300 bucks from us "as-is",he already had a buyer lined up for it for a grand!...:eek1:
 
I am almost certain the quadrajet is an unfinished, pushed to production, prototype design. Couple the 'greatest carb design' with real world GM bean counters and some 25 years of various on-the-spot last minute design remuddling,..
Make up your mind! Perhaps the original Q-Jet was rushed, although drawing from previous Rochester designs, but they certainly made lots of changes over the years.
 
earlier in this thread there was a short discussion about the 'base' airflow the quadrajet pulls through the various vacuum ports. Without the base airflow the carburetor's optimal idle air/fuel ratio will be outside the bounds of adjustment.

One port I found affecting this is the thermostatic choke port.

Another, posted here on nastyz28.com is the PCV port.
 
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