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Question about running dual propane carbs

Not sure about the answer that you asked, but I'm going to give my opinion on the intake, don't spent the money, buy a dual quad intake. If you were running a carb would you do that setup if you wanted to run two ?

I would get a tunnel ram if it fits cool factor and you can run a single plane with propane its already mixed.

and to answer your question I would think you might have to Y the line and run dual regulators and mixers but thats just a guess not cuz I know what I'm talking about. However it does make sense cuz if you run dual carbs you should run dual regulators and stuff but you can run a single pump and a Y in the main fuel line.
 
Nah, the impco 425 only runs about 500cfm, its the baseplates (the part that the throttle linkage hooks up to) that are really expensive. If you want to run duals, in the propane world, from what i understand that thing is the ONLY way to go.
 
Ok I wanna slap my second impco 425 on my engine. Here is my question, Do I run a Y fitting off of the mixer? Or do i have to run a whole nother mixer / regulator setup, and put a Y fitting on the tank? I need to know before i buy http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ADAP...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item29fe467e68


Thanks for the info guys!

You will need to run one vaporizer per mixer and use a T fitting to supply fuel to each vaporizer.


When I did my dual mixer setup I used a Edelbrock Dual Quad Intake. I always seemed to fight Balancing the 2 mixers for good Idling and Starting. I think the above setup would help alot of that. It may look a little weird, but I think it would work good.
 
I have a couple of those adapters. I ran one on my drag car with 2 425s and 2 model E vaporizers. It worked okay. Like was said already, it almost causes more issues than it solves. Unless you're a big time mudder, I can't see needing any more than 1 425 and Model E.
 
http://wps.com/LPG/LPG-carb-size.html

Check out that link and do the math to see if you need another Carb or not.

On my 406sb I used the following formula.

CID * RPM / 3456 * 0.85 = CFM required

406 * 6000/3456 * 0.85 = 600cfm

The 425 Mixer only flows 460 CFM

So I went with two 425 mixers just to be sure I didnt lose any top end. It did hurt mileage though.
 
Yep I made it up there today, great spot. Lost my front driveshaft in about the first 30 minutes. Found out she will still go just about anywhere with just a locked rearend, granny gear, and 38's with good tread:-) Spent the latter part of my day pulling other trucks out, then headed home to fix the problems. Not too bad overall, and she got me there and back on the over 80 miles round trip. So I was happy:-)
 
Hmm, went to that site and its telling me i need 685 cfm.... Screw it, it runs pretty good right now. Maybe down the road I will do dual carbs
 
I heard you were up there...:D

Yeah lots of carnage, just stayed saturday...

Yep I made it up there today, great spot. Lost my front driveshaft in about the first 30 minutes. Found out she will still go just about anywhere with just a locked rearend, granny gear, and 38's with good tread:-) Spent the latter part of my day pulling other trucks out, then headed home to fix the problems. Not too bad overall, and she got me there and back on the over 80 miles round trip. So I was happy:-)

Sorry I missed you but glad you found it. Sounds like you had a decent day, probably met lots of people. Nice having that place so close to us huh :D
 
Yeah I ran into some cool people. Started the day off when I was headed up the hill and saw some poor bastard walking up it. Picked him up and gave him a ride to his truck. Turns out he is my neighbor, lives off the same street as me. Cant wait to fix the issues I ran into, and get back out there.
 
78Buford just switched his 460 over to propane using a single 425. Was pretty easy to do and runs great down low but he loss a noticable amount of top end power and maybe loss 1,000 rpm redline. Not a crazy engine but a stout 460 with around 500+ ft-lbs. of torque.

He's definitely interested in the dual mixer setup. Anybody want to elaborate on the issues this causes?
 
You end up having twice as many of everything. 2 idle circuits, 2 carb diaphragms. 2 vaporizers = 2 high psi and 2 low psi seats and 4 diaphragms.
I have run 2 425s through 1 throttle plate and 2 vaporizers and when it's all working right, it works great. However, in my opinion it way overcomplicates what needs to be a very simple, easily diagnosed system. Especially if you get very far from civilization. Realistically, unless you are winding the bejeezus out of a 400+ cid engine, you don't NEED 2 carbs. I have 1 425 on my 12.5:1 433cid BBC and it's plenty impressive and will break driveline parts at will. It would make waaayyy more HP on a 800cfm gas carb, but it's just not necessary for my application.

Cliffs: For a trail rig, Simple Stupid > Raw HP.
 
You end up having twice as many of everything. 2 idle circuits, 2 carb diaphragms. 2 vaporizers = 2 high psi and 2 low psi seats and 4 diaphragms.
I have run 2 425s through 1 throttle plate and 2 vaporizers and when it's all working right, it works great. However, in my opinion it way overcomplicates what needs to be a very simple, easily diagnosed system. Especially if you get very far from civilization. Realistically, unless you are winding the bejeezus out of a 400+ cid engine, you don't NEED 2 carbs. I have 1 425 on my 12.5:1 433cid BBC and it's plenty impressive and will break driveline parts at will. It would make waaayyy more HP on a 800cfm gas carb, but it's just not necessary for my application.

Cliffs: For a trail rig, Simple Stupid > Raw HP.

I think he's torn between the simplicity and the loss of power. However there are times we he uses all of that power and it helps. Around here there isn't a lot of technical rockcrawling, rather most of the real difficult obstacles are loose dirt and mud hills that require wheel speed. Probably the issue that if you get use to power than suddenly loosing a good bit is an issue.
 
Howdy guys. Years ago, I used to alternate carbs.
One was a 2bbl Motorcraft...great off idle power but quickly ran out of breath on my large engine.
The other was a Quadrajet...made a very large difference above say 3000 rpm.

When I converted from the Quadrajet to the single 425 last weekend, it effectively felt like a put a 2bbl carb back on the truck--the low end is excellent, quite possibly snappier than with the Quadrajet off idle, but the 460 cfm of the Impco 425 simply isn't the same as a 750 cfm Quadrajet. Due to that, I'm strongly considering running dual 425's in the next few months. My thread with more driving impressions is here:

http://www.ohio4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?1690-Propane-Conversion&p=70815#post70815


Brief engine specs:
460 bored .040 = 469 cubic inches
9.5-1 compression (1969 heads on stock later model pistons)
Early 460 timing chain set (more low end torque...later models were retarded...literally)
Comp Cams Extreme 256 camshaft
Matching Comp Cams valve springs
L&L Headers
Stock cast iron intake.
When building the engine, every time I came to a potential "Y in the road" regarding maximum horsepower or maximum torque, I went route to get maximum low end torque.

I'd estimate 340-ish horsepower (that's pretty low for such a large engine).
I'd estimate 525-ish foot pounds of torque.
I'd consider it to have a 5000 rpm redline.
I rarely need to wind it above 4000 rpm.
With my lack of low gearing, when all four 42's are turning with the engine at 4K or 5K, they are turning pretty quickly. :D

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Regarding my engine, it's nothing high tech...I built it for maximum grunt in 2005. The engine is able to compensate for my lack of gearing (crawl ratio of less than 20-1, not counting the torque converter). I understand that a 10% loss in power is common when switching to propane. I'm quite happy with the propane so far, but IMO the single Impco 425 just isn't enough to properly support a 7.7 liter engine even at moderate rpm.

I'll be interested to follow this thread.

Roy
 
Personally I have decided to stick with my single 425 for now. I have all of the parts except for the adapter to use two 425's and one base plate. As soon as i get the base plate, I will be going to duals, I just cannot afford the adapter right now. I will keep you guys updated. fmstruck, do you still have one of those adapters laying around that I could take off of your hands?
 
Yeah I ran into some cool people. Started the day off when I was headed up the hill and saw some poor bastard walking up it. Picked him up and gave him a ride to his truck. Turns out he is my neighbor, lives off the same street as me. Cant wait to fix the issues I ran into, and get back out there.

Your neighbor is a good buddy of mine Rick R. He's great people, wheels a yellow heep. Thanks for picking him up at Elbe... that poor old bastard don't need to be walking the 9 road lol... he'll ride the phucking wheels off his KTM though!
 
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