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rear facing pto winch? fuel tank options

Vombrown

Vombrown

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Ok lets discuss a rear facing pto winch. I picked up a ramsey kit that was available locally installed on a 70 gm truck. I will be looking for install it in the rear of the 72 suburban I am building. It currently doesn't have a fuel tank to get in the way. Perfect time!!! My question is more of what are my options for fuel tanks thAT could possibly be clearanced for the driveshaft of the PTO winch.?

Discuss.
 
I located a warn 8274 and period correct front bumper to use on the project. I know that it will be a pain to get the pto winch in the back but I just gotta do it.
 
lots of the older winches with pto input can be made to run full hydro by swapping on a drive motor . then just run hoses / tank / and valve and install a pto pump .
 
I have a buddy that year's back did a hydro conversion to an old pto winch. He bought a used pump and motor and then did all new hydraulic lines and valving. In the end it didn't really work that well and cost WAY more than it was worth. It never had the pulling power you would expect. He should have just bought a decent electric, it would have saved time and money.
 
HankScorpio said:
I have a buddy that year's back did a hydro conversion to an old pto winch. He bought a used pump and motor and then did all new hydraulic lines and valving. In the end it didn't really work that well and cost WAY more than it was worth. It never had the pulling power you would expect. He should have just bought a decent electric, it would have saved time and money.
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must not of been sized correctly or spinning the pump at the correct speed. have to do the formulas to get it correctly sized up to match .

we use all hydro stuff at work on our tow trucks . . . . they just pull and pull . even popped a few cables . .

I am doing a ramsey re8000 hydro on the rear of my new plow machine build.
 
Agreed on the hydraulic winch--you must have adequate flow and pressure to run one properly,otherwise it will not have much pulling power or speed..you don't see any ramp trucks with electric winches in commercial use...

We had a 20 ton Garwood PTO winch on the crude beavertail ramp truck at the junkyard--though it would pull "anything" and even snap a 1/2 " wire rope if you overloaded it,it was a pain to operate..

You had to sit in the truck,pull the PTO lever to forward or reverse,and use the clutch pedal to control the cable,which wasn't the best setup when you were trying to drag something up onto the bed--often something would snag on the bed,and you'd end up doing damage to the item being pulled,or the truck bed...
We ended up bending the beavertail several times due to that,we added a 3" pipe with thick walls onto the end of the "tail" to act as a large roller, to help things slide up onto the bed...that thing was a hazard too,many of us took a flip when we'd step on the roller and our feet flew out from under us..
 
sweetk30 said:
lots of the older winches with pto input can be made to run full hydro by swapping on a drive motor . then just run hoses / tank / and valve and install a pto pump .
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Add a switch and some more hoses, then run a winch up front too....
 
I had allways figured that the hydraulics hadn't been matched properly. Something to keep in mind if you do the conversion.
As far as pto winches being hard to operate, I agree. My M35a2 has a pto winch. It pulls great but is cumbersome to use. My M35a3 has a hydraulic one with a toggle switch. Simple and smooth to use.
 
Yeah,being in the truck cab working the clutch pedal and winch control was not exactly convenient...you had to watch out the rear view mirror and if you heard or felt something snagging,you had better push in the clutch fast,or you'll do some destructing..

Mostly we hauled scrap so it wasn't a big deal,but we did mess up a few cars dragging them up on the bed..one '66 Mustang we hauled for a customer got a muffler clamp snagged on the bed,and we didn't hear anything (with the truck running it drowns out many noises)---the exhaust pipe crumpled up and busted the exhaust manifold off at the flange and the tail pipe ripped the rear brake hose off and got wedged against the gas tank...:eek:..this all happened in like 4 seconds!..:doah:..both the customer and the boss wanted to kill my co-worker and me...I was blamed for "not watching while he winched"..
 
Here we go again......
I've been running a PTO powered hydraulic winch since 1989. Controlling it is not a problem. Transfer case in neutral, auto transmission in drive, engine running about 1500.
I use the hydraulic valve down by the side of my driver's seat to go forward, backward(pull) or neutral. The pump is rated to put out 20GPM@1500PSI at 1500rpm.
I kept it simple, but I could have gotten fancy and had a speed control on the winch.
The pump is larger than I really need, but when I was designing the system, I did not know as much about hydraulics as I should have, so I just went overkill.
When I asked the guy I bought the winch from about the size of the tank, he told me without a big cooler, it needed to have a gallon per GPM for continuous duty.
That way, any given part of the oil had time to sit in the tank and lose some heat before being used again.
I went with a custom built 30 gallon tank that sits under my toolbox.

Which is the reason my winch is not operable now for the first time in 27 years. It seems that the tank has gotten a hole rusted in it on the bottom. I will pull the tool box and the tank after Turkey season and either get a new bottom welded on, or a new tank built.
Had I gone with a standard off the shelf tank, I could have just swapped it out by now.

I always wanted a belt driven PTO pump so that I could back the truck up with the winch in gear without turning off the PTO. And found some places that sell kits.
But the capacity is not what I like, and it is a much more complex system. I'm happy with what I have. Its pulled out everything I ever hooked it to.

Once you get the pump, PTO adapter, and tank figured out, your options are fairly unlimited. With the proper hoses and valves, you can have front and rear winches, a dump bed, lift gate, even jacks on all four wheels if you wanted to get crazy enough.
Run a couple of remote disconnects, and you could have a log splitter on a trailer that was powered by your truck.

Here is a link to some info about my setup.

https://ck5.com/forums/threads/hydraulic-pto-winch-pics.249796/
 
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