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S10 missfire issue

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I am at a loss.

2002 S10, 4.3 vortec, 120k miles.

2 stealer ships and 2 mechanics have looked at this thing and have not been able to fix the drivability issues. The owner just knows it runs bad and gets crappier mileage.

Codes were p300 (generic misfire)and p301 (cylinder 1 misfire). Idled really rough and surged going down the road. Put a timing light on each plug wire and number 1 would not always fire. Could hear a clicking noise comming from the distributor. When it would click, the light would stumble. Pulled the distributor and found the rotating assembly had been hitting the pickup. That was the noise. Shaft moved side to side. New distributor was installed with a new cap and rotor. Intermittent miss is still there.

Go to figuring out the pulsing engine issue. At low speeds it would almost make him car sick. It was bad. New injector spider fixed that, easy deal.

Now the miss is really noticeable. With the injectors working correctly.

Still only cylinder 1 having intermittent firing issues. Not constant. Taped the timing light to the hood to watch it while I drove. Definitely there. Switched plug wires on cylinders 1 and 3 at both ends. Still no change. New plug in no. 1 cylinder. No change. Compression checked just for yucks. 120 to 130 on all cylinders.

I have no idea. Could this be a crank positioning sensor issue of some kind?
 
Check for back tracking on #1 plug? I had problem before and pulled plugs out and found 1 was back tracking up plug and just put them in the truck.
 
Has any other work been done prior?
I've had some issues where the crank sensor needs shimmed or something GM calls phasing the cam/crank sensors.

Phasing needs to be done with a scanner and sometimes after component replacement such as cam sensor
 
He has had the truck for a year. Nothing like that has been done under his ownership. But the check engine light has been on from day one. Dealer promised to fix it. Cat, O2 sensor and fuel pump replaced by them.
 
call me crazy but what brand of spark plugs ?

96 newer stuff don't like plugs different than oem spec .

I have fixed many skips on mostly gm like the 4.3 with correct acdelco plugs . people install cheep plugs or onsale bosch to save over the 6buck a piece acdelco units .
 
Acdelco were in it and replaced with acdelco. No change.

I did read this morning, at 3:45 am:doah:, that the CPS needs to be relearned after it is changed. Will look later to see if it has been swapped. I don't own a scanner to do the relearn.
 
Pulled the crankshaft position sensor this morning. Is the bolt supposed to be tight? Is the o ring supposed to be on it? And should the pick up look like this?

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I'm no ASE certified anything, but that just ain't right. Why don't dealers check this stuff?

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Pulled the crankshaft position sensor this morning. Is the bolt supposed to be tight? Is the o ring supposed to be on it? And should the pick up look like this?

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I'm no ASE certified anything, but that just ain't right. Why don't dealers check this stuff?


They just scan the computer... It didn't say the cam pos sensor was bad so it must be good!
 
pull the plug from the cylinder you is bad and see if you see a hair line crack on white part of plug where fire is running up out side of it. Seen it before first hand on my old 2.2 4 banger S-10. yes was brand new a/c delco plug.
 
here a pic I found I call it back tracking but it's called a cracked plug just fire runs up through crack and leaves this trace.

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