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School me on light duty 5 speeds from IFS rigs.

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I was at the swap meet today in Lincoln, and am still kicking myself for passing on a 5 speed of some nature. It an integral bellhousing, the case split in the middle of the transmission. Had a drivers side drop NP transfer case.

Which transmissions are available in what years? Spline counts? Can I swap a passenger side drop NP208 onto one easily? How much does the slave cylinder mess with the drive shaft?

What else should I know?

Martin
 
Nv3500 maybe? IIRC they came in S10's and half ton stuff, I don't know much about them other then that :dunno:
 
Something else I just thought of, a driver side drop 241 will swap in place of a pass side drop 208 (behind a 700 at least) with no mods, so I would think going the other way would work as well.
 
I assumed that is what it was, but was not sure. Had the V8 (I6) Chevrolet bellhousing pattern.

Martin
 
Something else I just thought of, a driver side drop 241 will swap in place of a pass side drop 208 (behind a 700 at least) with no mods, so I would think going the other way would work as well.

Yeah, but what is the spline count? Also, is the bolt pattern the same? I assume it is, but am not positive.

Martin
 
Yeah, but what is the spline count? Also, is the bolt pattern the same? I assume it is, but am not positive.

Martin

NV3500 - 32 spline output with the standard 6 bolt chevy bolt pattern. There is also an S10 version that runs a 27 spline 5 bolt pattern. It also has the shift tower towards the rear of the transmission.

There were a number of different models throughout the years. The early ones HM290 IIRC are pure crap, soavoid them. They have external slave cylinders, and are well known for breaking, syncros failing, falling out of gear etc.

There are a few internal slave cylinder models based on year range. The early ones have multiple shift rails and have issues with falling out of gear and syncronizers failing, but arn't quite as prone to catastrophic failure.

The later ones have a single shift rail, but there are again two versions from the old body style, one with a single piece cluster shaft and one that has removable gears. The removable gear unit is newer and better, but I am not sure how you'd tell the two apart without a tear down. Both seem to have the syncro and falling out of gear issues dealt with.

There is then the version from behind the 4.8L V8s in the next body style of trucks up until 06. They are pretty stout, quiet and smooth shifting transmissions with a noticeably shorter shifter throw as compared to the older ones. I had one from an 04 behind my hopped up and turbocharged 6.2L diesel in a K5 I used to own and I beat / abused that transmission on a regular basis (clutch drops, power shifting, shock loading, you name it, it took it!). It never showed any signs of failure after several wheeling seasons.
 
Yeah, but what is the spline count? Also, is the bolt pattern the same? I assume it is, but am not positive.

Martin

On the manual I'm not sure on spline count. The Willys I'm building was originally going to be using GM axles (pass drop) then we ended up using 44's from a Wagoneer (d side drop). I had a 27 spline 208 (DIY fixed yoke) behind the 700, I ended up pulling a 241 from a 90's half ton and swapped it to match the drivers side drop. It was the same pattern and was from an auto so it was 27 spline also.
 
My 96 w/t with a nv3500 used to lay double question marks pretty well.
 
I'd really like to find one for my 1974 K5. Maybe put that 350 TPI in front of it.

Martin
 
I liked the gear spacing on the NV3500... shifts were shorter and smoother than any other truck tranny... Other than that I didnt care for them... But then again I swaped to a NV4500... So my opinion may be biasied...:D
 
I had a 5 speed in a '90 1/2T behind a 305 mine was not the NV3500 can't remember right now it did have the integral bell housing and I think they only used it a couple of years. Mine was a total pos one of the 3 reasons I sold that truck, 305 and IFS being the other two. Friend bought it from me for cheap because the trans needed a rebuild, he dumped about $1500 + in that turd and still had problems with it, told him to put a 4500 in it. It also took some bs expensive syncromesh fluid I had to get from the dealer.
 
I had a 5 speed in a '90 1/2T behind a 305 mine was not the NV3500 can't remember right now it did have the integral bell housing and I think they only used it a couple of years. Mine was a total pos one of the 3 reasons I sold that truck, 305 and IFS being the other two. Friend bought it from me for cheap because the trans needed a rebuild, he dumped about $1500 + in that turd and still had problems with it, told him to put a 4500 in it. It also took some bs expensive syncromesh fluid I had to get from the dealer.


HM290 is what you're thinking of. And yup, total turd. They are what gave the NV3500 a bad name for the rest of it's existence. If they were not falling out of gear, they were grinding into gear cause of bad syncros. If they were not grinding into gear, that's cause they blew up and scattered the gear bits across the highway.

I have owned several NV3500s in several trucks with everything from a 4.3L V6 up to the turbocharged 6.2L and only once managed to kill one. It was in my 96 GMC K1500 with the V6. Wound up the PO had filled it with 80W90 gear lube instead of syncromesh, which killed the syncronizers on it. The Syncromesh is a light weight engine oil (30 weight if I recall correctly...) with an additive package for the syncronizers. Penzoil and Amsoil both make very nice syncromesh replacement fluids which are decently priced compared to the dealership stuff.

Same goes with NV4500 juice, there are cheaper aftermarket options available vs paying full price at the dealership.
 
HM290 is what you're thinking of. And yup, total turd. They are what gave the NV3500 a bad name for the rest of it's existence. If they were not falling out of gear, they were grinding into gear

whats the year splits on these? the one I have here at the house is definetly a borg warner , it suppose to be out of a 88 or 89 V6 1/2 ton 4x4
 
Yeah. A T5 is a car transmission. It was also used in S10 Blazers and pickups. I don't believe it was ever used in a full size. They have a separate bellhousing like a traditional manual transmission.

Martin
 
I wonder if they share internals, I have seen them called t-5's in parts books
 
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