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school me on pop rivets...

I hear ya... I'm starting to think that my rivets just have too much grip length for my application though. I used several clamps to hold everything together tight as hell... and the rivet still won't hold them tightly together. Hmmmmm.. maybe I'll try holding the head down and using a tapered punch to open up the back side of the rivet some more. I dunno... what I do know is that the current plan ain't workin. lol!

j
 
jek, all rivets have a work range or min/max thickness they will handle. sounds like you just need shorter rivets. another way of dealing with too long a rivet if its not too long is to find some small washers that just fit over the rivet body, use metric washers if you have to. sometimes there thicker then standard washers anyways. you put the rivet through the hole and you put the washer over the rivet before you crimp it obviously.

if the rivet is way to long this obviously wont help but if it just a tad too long this trick works great to get a good tight crimp on the rivet. I use thick small washers on everything I pop rivet. the washers give a biger surface area load then just the diameter of the rivet itself. sheet metal is in a soft condition or just not heat treated, so it can crack or the rivet can pull through easier then if it has a hardened washer backing it up.

use grade 8 or washers that are heat treated. a crack can develop at a rivet, the washer will help eliminate that problem. if I remember correctly we used washers on all the aircraft seats we would build for added strength of the riveted joint and to minimize the posibilty of cracking. you can even use a washer under the head if you need to and if its not a problem with how it looks. use SS so they wont rust. sorry I forgot to tell you about this before. I have forgot so much of the info about riveting tricks I used to know since I dont do it anymore as a job, but thats ok, this kind of thread does jog my memory.
 
yeah, i read some stuff about "grip range" before I went out and got the rivets. The hardware store I go to is huge... they tend to "have everything". Well, the shortest 3/16" diameter rivets they had were listed as 1/8". The material I am riveting, once I flapper the paint off isn't that thick. I'm not sure they make them in 3/16" for any less thickness.... might have to try the washer trick. Thanks for the tip!

j
 
because my welder is a lincoln buzz box stick welder... can't weld much of anything that thin unless you want it to look like swiss cheese real quick. I got some 1/16" electrodes that will work on DC.... I might try using them on the 500 lbs of scrap sheetmetal I have laying around to see if I can do anything with them. All signs point to "no way" though. lol!

j
 
Ow yea that wouldnt be very easy:D

For some reason I thought you had a 135 mig like me.
 
The "cherry rivets" are called cherry max rivets and are very good, you will need a grip gauge to shoot them correctly, but of course for a truck you don't have the same tolerances as I do on aircraft. You can shoot them a size short and they will hold, but if you shoot them too big you will not be happy. Pull throughs, or pop rivet are very forgiving and don't have a locking collar to remove upon removal. Clecos are great and are the way to go to prevent miss alignment like your discribing. And pop rivets are way cheaper than cherry max. Usually I like to get the longes pop rivets I can get so they will fit a variety of thicknesses (is that a word?).
 

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