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ryoken

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ok, I need some learnin on 4, 5 point harnesses, etc..

just ordered my seats, and have now decided to do my cage..

I'll be running the PRP Rhino's

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they call for a 4 point harness...

I know nothing about the harnesses.. here's what I think I'd like to run, a lap belt and 2 over the shoulders to the cage.. from what I'm guessing, I wouldn't be using that slot below the headrest? :crazy::confused:

something like this, in a 4 point, without the submarine, crotch thingy?


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is this doable? :confused:

thanks for the help..... :bow::D
 
The slot in the seat can be utilized with a different style harness, kinda "Y" shaped, to go to the "H" bar in the cage. The harness I had in my old truck had very specific mounting instructions regarding placement of mounts and such. A lot of it has to do specifically with the person's height , width etc. It all has to do with how the belt will hold you in your seat during an impact or rollover. There are probably some pro racers here that can tell you alot more, but a strap that can fall off the shoulder of your seat can't hold you in. Looking at the rest of your work, I'm quite sure your research will be applied quite adaquately.:bow::bow::bow:
 
ryoken said:
ok, I need some learnin on 4, 5 point harnesses, etc..

just ordered my seats, and have now decided to do my cage..

I'll be running the PRP Rhino's

sidexhighback.gif


they call for a 4 point harness...

I know nothing about the harnesses.. here's what I think I'd like to run, a lap belt and 2 over the shoulders to the cage.. from what I'm guessing, I wouldn't be using that slot below the headrest? :crazy::confused:

something like this, in a 4 point, without the submarine, crotch thingy?


yb.dll



is this doable? :confused:

thanks for the help..... :bow::D
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I got the DD from PRP and the exact belts like you have pictured but got them throught PRP too. I use the shoulder harness when I am driving in the freeways or at higher speeds and have them throught the slots in the head rest. When the straps are not used I just flip them over the back of the seat on eather side of the headrest. I also have the nylon loops on each side of the head rest too and figure if the shoulder belts didn't go throught the slots or the nylon loops it would be a royal pain in the azz to utilize them. Also, I never attached the 5th point / nut harness as I don't feel it's necessary. BTW, I really like the camlock type fastener for the belts too.
 
hey, thanks guys.... :bow:

I too, was looking at the cam lock.. i'll definitely be examining latching further.. But I'm concerned I didn't think this thru...

I've seen the Y style harness, and wasn't sure thats what I wanted.. I always just kinda assumed that you could just run 2 down from the B-hoop over each shoulder.. and not use any upper slots... but now that has me thinking that b-hoop would have to be a fair amount behind the seat...

if I have to run thru that slot, I will... just not sure that style harness is what I want... :confused:

I'm thinking this is kinda what I'm gonna have to run?


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As Big Blzn was saying, I believe hoops are available to use the H style harness to keep the straps from dropping. Whatever the style, it requires thought on the location of the H bar in the future cage.
 
How can one run these style belts without a cage? Possible?
 
I was looking at these.

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Corbeau 2 Inch Retractable Harness Belts are a result of Corbeau’s dedication to innovation and style. This unique harness belt has raised the bar as it pertains to user friendliness. We know how uncomfortable and annoying it can be to use harness belts in your daily driver. Once you are strapped in a harness belt, there is little to no moving around. With that in mind we designed the Retractable Harness Belt. This harness belt features an inertia reel, which allows your harness belt to function like your stock belt. That means you can still move around but it will lock under sudden movement or jolt. It also features an on-off switch, which allows you to turn the retracting option off so your belt will function as a full time harness belt. In additions the Retractable Harness Belt has the double release feature, which allows you to disconnect the front shoulder straps from the rear tail strap. This feature allows for easy access to the rear seat as you can disconnect that rear strap without taking the belts out. They also have the rare ability to be bolted to all your factory provided mounting points. What that means is all our hardware was manufactured to bolt right up to your factory bolt holes. In most cases no drilling or modifications are necessary, they just bolt right in. Corbeau Retractable Harness belts are available in a 3 point, bolt-in style only. Each harness belt is manufactured with pressure reducing waist pads to provide extra comfort.
 
I think you may have just answered my question... tho, the "factory" mount spots bit concerns me, as I'm doing a double tube mount and the tabs will tuck up waaay closer to the seats... maybe they adjust enough...

For
as much as I want the hardcore look and capability of a 3", I have to think that corbeau, might be the smarter choice for a 75% street truck... I'm tending to think non-retractable 3" would become rather annoying at times...


hmmmm, should I be scared to go see how much? If it's less than $150 a pair, I'd prolly go for it... thanks....
 
I don't believe a regular race harness is legal for street use do to the fact it is not retractable. I don't know why though. Just something else I remember from my old harnesses.:thinking::confused:
 
udy2554 said:
I don't believe a regular race harness is legal for street use do to the fact it is not retractable. I don't know why though. Just something else I remember from my old harnesses.:thinking::confused:
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As far as I know, as long as they are DOT approved, harnesses are good to go. Whether retractable or not, they just need to be ones that are DOT approved.
 
another reason that corbeau may be my best avenue..

I do have joysey inspection nazi's to contend with...
 
NEK5 said:
How can one run these style belts without a cage? Possible?
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I run my harness in a 4 point setup with it not attached to my cage. For the lap belts I used the stock belt location and for the shoulder harness I used a big azz bolt with ring at the head and drilled through the tub and used proper backing plates to resist pull-through. I will try to take a pic of the set up if you like. However, I am very anxious to get the seats and belts tied to the cage.
 
udy2554 said:
I don't believe a regular race harness is legal for street use do to the fact it is not retractable. I don't know why though. Just something else I remember from my old harnesses.:thinking::confused:
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I thought that the seat belt have to just be the same type of function as came in the stock truck. For instance, since I havea 4 point harness and only drive around town in just the lap belt they can't sight me for no shoulder harness since my '72 didn't come stock with shoulder harness. Does Ryokens have factory retractable belts?
 
$210 for the pair... borderline, but I may go for that...

now I just need to build the cage.... :doah:
 
DOT has to be same style as original. Does not have to be retractable. That is a convenience factor.

I was pulled over in the united state of California, back in the day. He tried to get me on something. The front 2 bars are the only thing illegal. The 5 point meets and exceeds DOT standards for all impacts.

One thing you want to make sure you wach is the location the straps come over your shoulders. Not rubbing on your neck and not pulling down on your shoulders. The shoulder straps should go up from your shoulders over the seat or a seat bar behind the seat. The lap belt holds you down, the shoulder straps only hold you back.
 
ktmoutfront said:
One thing you want to make sure you wach is the location the straps come over your shoulders. Not rubbing on your neck and not pulling down on your shoulders. The shoulder straps should go up from your shoulders over the seat or a seat bar behind the seat. The lap belt holds you down, the shoulder straps only hold you back.
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As I understand it, the shoulder harness mounts should be 0-10 deg below the top of your shoulder as per any of the racing specifications. I'll probably have time to find proof tomorrow if no one beats me to it.
 
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