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Seen a "different" kinda shackle flip today...

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4x4shortbed

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I took the kiddo's to McDonalds today and in the parking lot was a pretty slick Chevy K10 with a shackle flip that I haven't seen before. It had the stock shackle hangars with shackles made up like front shackles, you know, two seperate flat pieces. Anyways, they were set far enough apart with spacers that they cleared the stock hangars, probly 5-6" wide at least?

Its a bit hard to explain, I wish I would have snapped a pic with my cell damn it! lol

Anyone done this or seen this? Seems like an extremely easy way to do the flip...but I'm not sold on strength. It was obviously holding up on this guys(or gals) truck though.

-John
 
He had the stock rear shackle brackets, with Flat bar, on the outside of the bracket, going down to the leaf spring?

Is this what you are describing? I know youre jealous of my paint skills haha.

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Sorry man, you pic isn't there. Its doing the "This image or video has been moved or deleted" thing. But yeah, its how your describing it, flat bar on the outside of the stock bracket going down to the leaf. Same effect as the other shackle flips, leaf spring below the hangar and all...

-John
 
U shape representing hangar, little rectangle representing leaf spring, flat bar peices, the dead space in between everything was taken up accordingly with spacers....

flip.jpg
 
4x4shortbed said:
U shape representing hangar, little rectangle representing leaf spring, flat bar peices, the dead space in between everything was taken up accordingly with spacers....

flip.jpg
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damnit, it was working when i posted it, i wonder wtf... It was some of my best paint work to date lol

Looks pretty hack to me.
 
It was reeeeealy wide, as you can imagine, and no brace between the two flat bars. Like I said, it was working on this persons truck seemingly just fine but who knows how hard they wheel it lol

One things for certain tho, it looks like it would be about 99% easier to do than the normal way...if you could make a "super shackle" or something.

-john
 
i'm not crazy about the idea, on a couple levels.... suspension integrity, cosmetically, etc... it'd work, but it creeps me out...
 
haha i saw a blazer with this at pick and pull a month or so ago.. i thought wow i never thought of that.

I took a pic but it didnt come out
 
Toyota solid axle swap kits have been using shackles like this for years. Where the bolt goes through the frame is wider than the leaf springs. I've seen some shackles with bent bars to make up the difference. Or some use aluminum spacers like this one.
http://allprooffroad.com/pickupsuspension/41

My thought is the truck you saw just had a bolt going through the holes of the frame hanger and not riding in a bushing. That means it could shear off that bolt in no time. To do it properly would require the holes cut larger and a tube welded in for bushings to sit in. More work and fab than to just bolt on a DIY or ORD kit.:dunno:
 
496truck said:
Toyota solid axle swap kits have been using shackles like this for years. Where the bolt goes through the frame is wider than the leaf springs. I've seen some shackles with bent bars to make up the difference. Or some use aluminum spacers like this one.
http://allprooffroad.com/pickupsuspension/41

My thought is the truck you saw just had a bolt going through the holes of the frame hanger and not riding in a bushing. That means it could shear off that bolt in no time. To do it properly would require the holes cut larger and a tube welded in for bushings to sit in. More work and fab than to just bolt on a DIY or ORD kit.:dunno:
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Maybe a little more work and fab, but a lot less $...
 
your picture looks kinda like my echobit shackle flip im running on my truck. is that waht it is??? do you know what the echobit looks like???
 
I think the biggest problem in what you're describing is that there is no upper bushings, just a bolt through a shackle side, then the stock hanger, then a shackle side, and the nut. thats going to develop a lot of slop, and fast.
 
thedrip said:
I think the biggest problem in what you're describing is that there is no upper bushings
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Personal experience:
1989 Chevy S-10: No bushings on upper part of rear shackle
1993 Jeep Cherokee: No bushings on upper part of rear shackle

Your personal experience mus be severely limited to not know any better.


That same design shackle is what I will be using for my DIY 4" rear lift and will cost nothing, except there is not center strap in that drawing, and that would be critical to eliminate lateral slop.

Andrew
 
DieselWarrior said:
Personal experience:
1989 Chevy S-10: No bushings on upper part of rear shackle
1993 Jeep Cherokee: No bushings on upper part of rear shackle

Your personal experience mus be severely limited to not know any better.


That same design shackle is what I will be using for my DIY 4" rear lift and will cost nothing, except there is not center strap in that drawing, and that would be critical to eliminate lateral slop.

Andrew
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who pissed in your cheerios?

I think the main problem that most people have is it looks shady. It may work good, and other vehicles may work with no bushing, but bushings were invented for a reason.

People wouldnt use them, as well as pay extra for greasable bolts to lube said bushings if it wasnt a better solution. I think the better alternative to this is cutting the space under the stock hangar, sticking shackle down in it, and plating the hangar. I have this done myself to save money over a ord/diy4x kit. But i will be changing it and making my own rear hangar for use with the bar type shackles simular to the diy4x setup.
 
"bar type shackle" does not ring a bell, however I still assert that the only type of shackle that should be run regardless of length or design should be a braced, or one piece shackle.

like this:
ShackleBraced.jpg




This is not suggested under any circumstances, a two piece shackle:
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that is what i was referring to as a bar shackle.

it is 2 peices of flat bar. I dont think a crosstie on them is really needed unless you are over 5 inches in length, but it couldnt hurt either way
 
NorCal_Chris said:
that is what i was referring to as a bar shackle.

it is 2 peices of flat bar. I dont think a crosstie on them is really needed unless you are over 5 inches in length, but it couldnt hurt either way
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Okay, gotcha! :waytogo:

I guess we all subscribe to different thoughts, I wouldnt even run 2" of shack without a brace, and the max length Id run is 6"...

At any rate, I think we ALL can agree, that THIS is unquestionably: crap :thumb:
63_Nova_Spring_Shackles.jpg


Sorry for the mood-ie-ness, Im on my period I reckon... :doah:

Cheers-
Andrew
 
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