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Single plane vs dual plane intake using performance throttle body EFI

AJ was curious so I pulled a plug, here is #2, which was previously the overly rich upper plane...you can see it is much closer to optimal.

I pulled number 4 too but I don't have a good picture of it like I thought I did. It was slightly richer than this but still pretty good, leaner than it was before with the old intake, and it was on the leaner but still rich lower plane.

This was after one trip to the dunes and a couple 15 minute drives to the mountain bike trail. I haven't made time to pull all of them and I likely won't, possibly after the last dyno session, that is coming but will be over a month yet.

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Yes it is slightly colder, NGK #6 instead of the #5 I had in there before. Fouling doesn't seem to be a problem, ha ha

Maybe I should of measured my fuel mileage, because its crazy how much longer 1 tank of fuel lasts just driving to the bike trail and back lately. Its seems more than the difference in A/F ratio. So it leads me to believe that the improper distribution may have been causing low speed to throw the 02 sensors off.

I believe it too because the plugs say it was much richer than the 02 sensor suggests. For example, the cam in my Regal has so much overlap that the self tuning basically keeps adding fuel and making it pig rich to the point it wants to die, so you have to shut it off below about 2200-2500 RPM and tune it manually. Although I ended up limiting the self learning to only remove fuel and not add it at those RPMs. But the EZ-EFI cannot do that. So I can believe that if it is not running correctly even with a more mild cam that it can cause faulty 02 readings, always trust the plugs, they show the true combustion.

I also ended up shutting the self learning off eventually once the map was close and i manually blended it all, I don't believe we can do that with the EZ-EFI, or I would likely do it right now. I will look into that further. That way if you get a small exhaust leak or something it won't throw the tables off that seem pretty good right now.
 
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I think you can shut the learning off but it's either all or nothing.
 
I haven't even looked to see if you can do that on the 2.0. Now I'm curious....
 
I looked through the whole manual, I don't see anywhere to turn off the self learning, is that available on the new handheld? or did I miss something?
 
I looked through the whole manual, I don't see anywhere to turn off the self learning, is that available on the new handheld? or did I miss something?

My understanding was that is something on only the 2.0.
 
So for kicks I just pulled my #1 Spark plug. Haven't touched them in years. They are AC Delco Platinum and the only number on them is "5"? I can't seem to find any information on exactly what the hell this plug actually is. I know it's a recommended plug for the Dart Pro1 Heads I'm running, that's it. But based on this one plug should I be changing my plug temp?

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What's all over the ground electrode, antiseize, or did it get that hot? Is that plug as wore as it looks? The sharp edges are all rounded off.
 
So for kicks I just pulled my #1 Spark plug. Haven't touched them in years. They are AC Delco Platinum and the only number on them is "5"? I can't seem to find any information on exactly what the hell this plug actually is. I know it's a recommended plug for the Dart Pro1 Heads I'm running, that's it. But based on this one plug should I be changing my plug temp?

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Spark plug definitely has some miles on it. I would run an NGK BKR6E.
 
Spark plug definitely has some miles on it. I would run an NGK BKR6E.
Are those the same heat range as my AC Delcos? Why is everyone all about NGKs? I thought AC Delcos were the plug of choice for small blocks.
 
Are those the same heat range as my AC Delcos? Why is everyone all about NGKs? I thought AC Delcos were the plug of choice for small blocks.

I'm not sure on the heat range, my guess is the NGK is the same. NGK is pretty much the best (ND is a close second) in fact NGK makes a lot of the ACdelco iridium and double platinum plugs that come factory installed in new GM cars.
 
Spark plug definitely has some miles on it. I would run an NGK BKR6E.

That is the exact same plug I just put in mine, had NGK BKR5E before, which is hotter.

I feel like the delcos have cheaped out. Plus with aluminum heads I like the plating on the NGK better than autolite or some delco (Im sure there are exceptions). The plating they use makes it less likely to seize in the head. I've had autolites gall a little even with antiseize when they get hot. The NGK always feels smoother in the threads.

I have to admit I'm a little confused with your plugs because they look like they have a lot of miles, but I am guessing they actually don't. Plus the ash makes it seem like you have an issue with contamination in the cylinder from dirty gas or something.
 
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I have to admit I'm a little confused with your plugs because they look like they have a lot of miles, but I am guessing they actually don't. Plus the ash makes it seem like you have an issue with contamination in the cylinder from dirty gas or something.
They are probably from about 2012 from when I first swapped on the dart heads. So probably around 8-12k hard miles on them.
 
Well, I finally made it back to the dyno, this time instead of just making about 3 pulls for a baseline, I made about 25 pulls, ha ha (I had some other testing to do in addition to the intake swap). Anyway, I tried to get some numbers down low, like 40% throttle and 2-4k rpm, but with the converter and the operator trying to hold 40% throttle immediately the results just weren't consistent(they don't let you drive on the actual dyno, which drives me nuts, but I was sitting in the passenger seat and he did a pretty good job regardless). However, I did get pretty consistent results with the WOT pulls so that is what I will show. Here is the chart for single plane vs dual plane with the FAST EZ-EFI throttle body on my engine (you'll notice the graph is not smooth at upper RPM, thats because the swampers don't like approaching 100 MPH (118 was the fastest reading). Both of these pulls were with the 36" TSL tires, the next post will cover what happens if you simply swap tires...

You can see the new setup made about 12 more HP peak and 17 more lb-ft of torque peak. And midrange was stronger too, from 3600-4100 it was 20 lb/ft higher, sometimes only 15. However, below about 3300 the graphs cross. At 3000 the dual plane had 4 more HP and 6 more lb-ft. I could not get reliable data below that, and to be honest, I think the lower the RPM the less consistent it was, trying to measure the power through the 10" stall converter was probably too dependent on fluid temp and such at lower RPMs. At upper RPMs there was low slip and it didn't matter. If it was my 4L80E I could of locked the converter to see. My point is, the lower the RPM, the less reliable the numbers are, and the higher the RPM, the more reliable.

So to me the data make sense. The dual plane might still be making very slightly more power at low RPM because of the longer runners. However, the single plane clearly outperforms it at upper RPM, even with the throttle body EFI. I will say though, that it is smoother to drive, and has better fuel distribution with the single plane and this EFI system, and it idles smoother, and runs better at part throttle. The dual plane is supposed to supply a better signal to the carb at low RPM and throttle, this is not an issue with EFI.

The way it runs at low RPM is better and it has less hesitation and runs smoother with the single plane, this alone outweighs the missing 4 HP at 3K RPM(and I can likely say that 4HP is less than the margin of error at that RPM through that converter on a wheel dyno). When you add on the power and torque gains at mid and high range, I would definitely recommend the single plane for the throttle body EFI if you are purchasing an intake manifold. If you already have a dual plane and are swapping on the EFI. Then I say just try it and see what you think. If you are getting hesitations at low RPM and your plugs show uneven distribution, then you will probably like the single plane better. If however, your plugs look even and its running smooth at all RPM and throttle positions, then keep the dual plane. That was not the case for me, even though I ran the dual plane with the EFI for 7 years and about 6K miles with very few issues.

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Now, as for the tires...the tires made a bigger difference on the dyno reading than almost anything else. I'm not sure to how to say this, because unsprung rotating mass is most definitely the worst possible spot to have extra weight regarding performance and handling. However, we measured a difference of almost 70 wheel HP just swapping tires alone. This is going from a 36x14.5R16.5 Super Swamper TSL Radial to a 245/75R16 Load Range E highway tire (about 30x10 and still not light, although much lighter). Now, I know some of you are thinking, well that changes the gear ratio too, and that is correct. However, I saw a smaller difference switching to low range than swapping tires, which was 1:1 vs 1.96:1 gear ratio(like putting in an 8.04 instead of the 4.10 gears it has now). That's like putting a tire on half the size, not just ~6" smaller. So the weight had a more significant impact on the measured result, I wonder if it has to do with the weight of the tire relative to the weight of the dyno wheel drum or something.

It would be interesting to see how the performance at the racetrack correlated to the measured dyno results. Meaning, how much ET and MPH difference would those tires make, and what's the correlated HP change for that MPH difference, however, that likely won't happen. I think the TQ converter and the fact that you are measuring resisted acceleration of a cylindrical drum is not the same as accelerating the vehicle. Also, when we put it in low range with the smaller tires, the truck accelerated the drum so fast we really couldn't even get a good measurement, it was all over the place, so I had to ignore those numbers. Even in 3rd gear in low range the engine would swing from 3K to over 5K in probably half a second or so.

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One last note, I played with a lot of things that day, and my best pull was 398 HP through even the load range E highway tires, which wasn't no slouch, but I feel we can't compare that to the dual plane as I never tried those things with the baseline tests, and I didn't have those tires back then either.

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Do you have these charts plotted against mph?? That would show the converter coming in and may provide further analysis..
 
Thank you for posting your Dyno results. Unfortunately my intake swap keeps getting pushed down the list.
 

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