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sm465 mainshaft and coupler wear *PICS*

stevos67k20

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how does this look to you guys. i know 10 splines are notorious for wear. here goes nothing:

mainshaft inverted colors so you can see wear:
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and the spline coupler, this goes to a 205 i dont know if it went to anything else so just in case...
couplerinverted2.jpg

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where there it is folks, the wear a tear where the output shaft of the 10 spline sm465 meets the 10spline coupler connecting to the np205. the question is, can i reuse these parts? i am in inspection stages of this tranny rebuild to see if its rebuild able, or needs to be rebuilt.
 
dang. would you by chance know how much a main shaft is ballpark? and a coupler?
 
I've seen worse but since you have it apart, you might as well change it out.

I think NWF sells the couplers and you might still be able to get one from GMPartsDirect.

The output shaft... :confused: Junkyard?
 
Check ebay for the shafts, the 10 spline stuff goes kinda cheap. Search under my posts, and there is contact in it for the couplers.
 
It's the entire mainshaft, there is no separate part called the output shaft. Easiest is to source another SM 465 and get a new coupler.

Rene
 
MAJOR HIJACK of my own thread:)

i'm hijacking my own thread cuz i dont want to start a new one. thanks for your replies everyone, ive been looking at mainshafts and found a new main shaft for $75 and a coupler for $42 (10 spline). now that i have found it i want more:D.

first things first: i'm so confused about for many splines came on late model mainshafts. its seems about 50/50 on parts suppliers or adapters companies that its either 31 or 32 splines. dont some fords use 31 splines in thier drivetrain?. and also the np203...its that a 31 or 32 spline female input? of course they have to match (i plan on getting a doubler, not in the near future though):laugh: .

i have an early model trans...can i put a late model 31/32 (i dont know which one) spline mainshaft in it. like a retrofit? after that. what do i need to get to mate it to a 32spline short female input on the 205? (after i modify my 205).

oh the irony. theres just too many conversions and options its getting frustrating.
 
The SM 465 came with either 10 spline, or 32 spline or 35 spline. The 10 spline you know about, the 32 spline was the '81-up version but the output is fairly long. The 35 spline is the 2WD version and is basically just trivia until someone steps up and makes 35 spline inputs.

T-case inputs are pretty interchangeable. The NP 203 could have a 10 spline ('74 only year it came behind a SM 465) 27 spline (TH350) or 32 spline (TH400 version)

Rene
 
stevos67k20 said:
i have an early model trans...can i put a late model 31/32 (i dont know which one) spline mainshaft in it. like a retrofit? after that. what do i need to get to mate it to a 32spline short female input on the 205? (after i modify my 205).

oh the irony. theres just too many conversions and options its getting frustrating.
I was looking to do the same thing you are talking about, retrofit to 32 spline. In reality, it's a big pita, and better to just find a complete 32 spline oem setup. Sure, you can swap the mainshaft when you rebuild your tranny...but SM465's are dime a dozen, and although the 32 spline version is the rarest, I've still seen quite a few for sale. They are so stout they really dont need rebuilt unless they are totally thrashed.

Then you already know about the 205, you have to bore the input hole so that you can put in the larger 32 spline gear. Probably the easiest part.

The problem is the adapter. You can't use your stocker, because it's too short. EDIT: word on the street was that ORD was making a shorty 32 spline output for use with the stock 465/np203 adapter, which probably would work with the stock adapter- but I don't think they make them any more, and I've never seen or heard of one specifically, just 2nd hand info. You can't use an OEM 32 spline 465/205 adapter because a) they are almost impossible to find by themselves and b) they have the round pattern on the tail end, so you'd have to redrill your stock t-case anyway.

What some people on here suggested was running a 465 to 208 or 241 adapter (which is shorter than the 205 version), with a spacer/adapter to mate it to the old figure 8 pattern. If you have unlimited access to a machine shop, this would be the ticket, because you'd also have to machine a bearing retainer into this as well. However, this adapter does not have a shifter boss like the oem 205 adapters do- so you'd have to improvise.

Basically, the easiest way to go 32 splines is to find a mid 80's K30 and dismantle it, and copy/paste it's drivetrain to your truck. Or if you're lucky and you can just get a piecemeal 32 spline 465/205 combo (they do pop up on ebay occasionally).

For me, I ended up just going with a 2wd tranny and divorced t-case, alot easier and cheaper than going 32 spline.

FYI, my 10 spline junk looked worse than that. The splines in the collar had a razor sharp burr on the ridges, and I sliced myself on them fairly good. My truck also had the rockwell t-case, which is a gigantic turd anyway- so for me it was an excuse to upgrade that as well.
 
atho,
wow, thanks for all that information. you really laid it out very well, not like all the other posts i in the search database.

what i think i'm gonna do is find a 465-np208 adapter and np203(redrilled) and do the double with all the other mods. i really want the insurance of the 32 spline knowing its the stringest i can get and knowing it will last a very long time, unlike the 10 spline stuff, even though its very strong too. other than ebay and craigslist does anyone know a good company to get, or has, good quantities of stock adapters and np203s for cheap? i'm just wondering, i'm a slave for ebay and just starting with craigs list trying to find drivetrain parts for my truck. thanks.
 
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